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    Shergar Cup Day

    I've never liked the Shergar Cup and in recent years haven't even studied the card to any extent.

    With the big increase in prize money this year it's tempting me back in. £50k is a decent Saturday prize and a couple of the races are worth £75k so I'm going to study it in the hope that most of them are genuinely trying and that the performances of individual horses will end up depending on the ability of the jockeys and how well the foreign ones can ride the track.

    It's an otherwise pretty downbeat day for racing and I'll be looking to kill time...
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    Amanzoe has been in my tracker since she was second over an inadequate mile at Haydock a bit ago. She's won twice since then but was odd-on in weak events both times. Haggas has a habit of running his well handicapped horses in dogshit, uncompetitive affairs frustratingly (did the same with Morgan Fairy and ran into a Godplphin yesterday). I'll be interested in her price in the opener.

    Admiral D is in the last and was available at 4s on Monday. His form with Harry Three/Lethal Levi is there for all to see and he's been mentioned on here a few times.
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    EMMA JANE WILSON 16/1 to win the silver saddle.
    5 good chances imo.ive done an ew Canadian.

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    Studied 2 or 3 races, then gave up the ghost.
    Putting money on unfamiliar jockeys, riding a quirky track, on horses they've probably never sat on before, at god knows what kind of pace, isn't my idea of sound investment, so I'll stick to conventional races where I can, at least, reduce the gamble to manageable proportions.
    Doubt I'll even watch the TV coverage - a Saturday wasted, imo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Desert Orchid View Post
    I've never liked the Shergar Cup and in recent years haven't even studied the card to any extent.

    With the big increase in prize money this year it's tempting me back in. £50k is a decent Saturday prize and a couple of the races are worth £75k so I'm going to study it in the hope that most of them are genuinely trying and that the performances of individual horses will end up depending on the ability of the jockeys and how well the foreign ones can ride the track.

    It's an otherwise pretty downbeat day for racing and I'll be looking to kill time...
    Well, that's about six hours of my life I'll never get back...

    By the time I got to the later 3yo-only races I was looking for a brick wall to bang my head off.

    So many decent horses in there but so many running at distances outwith their normal parameters and no way of knowing if they're trying despite that or if it's just a high-profile way in which to have their horses run below form and get their marks down a bit for another race.

    I'm also hoping team tactics don't play a part. I saw an interview with Hayley Turner the other day and she came across as genuinely believing that jockeys were hoping to be drawn on the right horses, but what are the right horses?

    Still, having done the form (bar the 3yo races - too many unknown quantities) I'll be taking some small bets for the sake of an interest.

    (And there's only one race at Haydock worth a second look.)
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    I just can’t believe it’s Shergar Cup Day again. Where does the time go?

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    I didn't back the horse so no axe to grind but if I'd backed Super Superjack there I'd be spitting blood at the jockey for that ride.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Desert Orchid View Post
    I didn't back the horse so no axe to grind but if I'd backed Super Superjack there I'd be spitting blood at the jockey for that ride.
    That's how they ride him D.the same as last time.
    Be patient people and you will be rewarded.
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    Agreed....most of the moaners will have backed the horse without checking how he is ridden beforehand.

    She brought him there and made her challenge at almost the same time as the runner up who just had a better turn of foot.

    Guaranteed if she had used up her petrol sooner she's have been beaten further.

    Cesarewitch? Might not be good enough ?
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    One advantage of Shergar Cup is it gives horses, used to big fields a rest from the hustle and bustle of them.
    I cannot remember any jockey being banned for whip in series over the years either.
    All will help these horses for future races .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Desert Orchid View Post
    I've never liked the Shergar Cup and in recent years haven't even studied the card to any extent.

    With the big increase in prize money this year it's tempting me back in. £50k is a decent Saturday prize and a couple of the races are worth £75k so I'm going to study it in the hope that most of them are genuinely trying and that the performances of individual horses will end up depending on the ability of the jockeys and how well the foreign ones can ride the track.
    Note to self: stick to your guns. It's the most bent meeting of the entire year.
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    I don’t like giving free advice to others. But, for your own good, I wish to give you some.

    Stick to things you know about LIKE:-




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    On a serious note

    Does anyone actually agree that the Shergar meeting is bent?

    5 from 8 winning favourites

    The inform William Haggas had a Treble

    Jamie Spenser upset a favourite and rides a double ...What's New?

    Posts like that claiming racing is bent especially at the most policed course in the country can do no good for racing
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tanlic View Post
    On a serious note

    Does anyone actually agree that the Shergar meeting is bent?

    5 from 8 winning favourites

    The inform William Haggas had a Treble

    Jamie Spenser upset a favourite and rides a double ...What's New?

    Posts like that claiming racing is bent especially at the most policed course in the country can do no good for racing
    Aye,trainers do try to win races,maybe one shouldn't be guessing what they're up to?

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    I just wish those who open their gobs and let their belly rumble would point out specifics.

    Just to say racing is bent with no foundation to it is pub talk.

    The "He jumped off it" brigade will never learn and never be silenced unfortunately
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