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    Quote Originally Posted by Slim View Post
    Real World is the one that if he wins it will annoy me. He's been running really good races behind Baaeed.
    Especially with the pace angle!
    All comers, all grounds, all beaten!

    This perfect mix of poetry and destruction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tiggers1972 View Post
    Real World NR
    Oh.
    All comers, all grounds, all beaten!

    This perfect mix of poetry and destruction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slim View Post
    The Irish Guineas run was deeply underwhelming and the St James Palace Stakes didn't boost the form. He's a shocking price with stanima to prove.
    This is cracking me up....on one hand it's why is Vadeni so short? on the otherhand the 2nd fav has no chance

    You are answering the $64,000 question yourself

    It's getting to the stage when you will be asking why is he 5/4?.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slim View Post
    Sandown is a sharp 10f so not sure the trip will be a problem. It's whether you believe he is 123 on one performance where he wasn't even the stable's first string!
    It's a much steeper cilmb than Chantllly at the business end, though.
    When all else fails - apply logic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tanlic View Post
    This is cracking me up....on one hand it's why is Vadeni so short? on the otherhand the 2nd fav has no chance

    You are answering the $64,000 question yourself

    It's getting to the stage when you will be asking why is he 5/4?.
    Any of the runners can win this race. I just think the 3yos are too short.

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    Older horses do have a better recent record than the 3year olds
    However giving Vadeni 10lbs look a huge ask of Bay Bridge who could be 5lbs short of being a real Group 1 horse.

    I thought if he was going to make the grade he would have beaten State of Rest with ease
    but that final kick top class horses have just wasn't there and in the end I thought he was a bitterly disappointing odds on shot.
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    It was a nothing pace in the POW, given the field, there's no danger of that on Saturday
    When all else fails - apply logic.

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    I hear this everyday.if there had been a stronger pace horse B would have won .....do you know how few times it works out in reality.

    Top class horses win off any pace simply because of one factor:- They are top class
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    With respect - you're talking bullshit.
    When all else fails - apply logic.

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    With respect you hope I am as you are in the SMS camp I presume?

    His win at Sandown was impressive of a normal pace for a group race
    The opposition for a couple of reasons wasn't great and last time in a tougher race got his ass felt.

    Moore gave him a perfectly good ride he simply wasn't good enoughand this is a huge step up from that.

    I think he's aplace lay personally.
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    Bay Bridge is still very backable at 4/1.

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    Six runners; all have some chance .
    Where does the pace come from ?
    A lot of these race keenly without leading so anything can happen.
    May get a Bosra Sham type situation if false rail not present in straight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by edgt View Post
    Six runners; all have some chance .
    Where does the pace come from ?
    A lot of these race keenly without leading so anything can happen.
    May get a Bosra Sham type situation if false rail not present in straight.
    Haggas horse will go on. If they make it a sprint Native Trail or Bay Bridge wins.

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    Is it possible BB was using the POW as a prep?

    Simon Rowlands, in his sectional analysis of its previous win, was gushing about its splits (which were off a slow pace) yet off another slowish pace in the POW he was outsprinted.

    So was he prepping? Not over his previous run? Flattered by his previous run?

    So hard to know.
    Never stop looking for what's not there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slim View Post
    Haggas horse will go on. If they make it a sprint Native Trail or Bay Bridge wins.
    Neither Alonquer or Bay Bridge need a sprint, and will burn off the non-stayers.
    Last edited by reet hard; 30th June 2022 at 10:15 PM.
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    Hopefully a decent pace and a fair race.
    Henry Cecil never liked this race for 3 year olds, he reckoned they were not yet ready to take on older horses over a stiff 10 furlongs.
    Given his 2 best three year olds ( Wollow, Reference Point ) were beaten you can see why.
    Should Native Trail or Vadeni win they will be proven top drawer 3 year olds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tanlic View Post
    With respect you hope I am as you are in the SMS camp I presume?

    His win at Sandown was impressive of a normal pace for a group race
    The opposition for a couple of reasons wasn't great and last time in a tougher race got his ass felt.

    Moore gave him a perfectly good ride he simply wasn't good enoughand this is a huge step up from that.

    I think he's aplace lay personally.
    Taken the 4/1 Bay Bridge, and will happily go in at higher if more take his POW form literally.
    They were unsure how he'd cope with faster ground then, and he wasn't given a hard race because of it. They know better now, and he'll be ridden more positively because of it.
    Interestingly, AOB swerves the race, probably on RM's counsel. Be warned.
    When all else fails - apply logic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Desert Orchid View Post
    Is it possible BB was using the POW as a prep?
    Excuse me while I fall off my chair laughing

    The horse was going for 5 on the trot, his first crack at a group 1 and was off for his life in a race worth 599,708.25 to the winner.

    Prepping? You lot need to stop looking for excuses the horse was beaten, wasn't good enough, lacked the finishing kick just one negative after the other
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    To those of you who are planning to or have opposed Vadeni especially you Bay Brudge supporters

    I am doing you a favour and giving you some free advice:-

    For Burned Fingers+Apply petroleum jelly two to three times daily.
    Do not apply ointments, toothpaste or butter to the burn, as these may cause an infection.

    Formely Fist of Fury

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