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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxbet View Post
    Modern Games finished exactly the same distance in front of Lassaut as he did in the Poule d'Essai des Poulains!
    Also known as a coincidence.

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    It was a group 1 race with the 2nd and 3rd having won Group 1 races
    but it's the marked improvement he made on aline through Machete and how easily he did it that catches the eye,

    Modern Games perhaps had the right to be collared by El Bodegon having used up some energy coming across them at the start

    But Vadeni didn't just collar him he anhialated him and the rest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxbet View Post
    Modern Games finished exactly the same distance in front of Lassaut as he did in the Poule d'Essai des Poulains!
    Don't care. Modern Games was badly drawn and had to be bustled up to lead using energy up. This is not optimal and so he ran below form.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slim View Post
    I just can't see it. 2/1 against Group 1 horses.
    That's what I was implying.
    Never stop looking for what's not there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HawkWing View Post
    Begs the question, "what did Desert Crown beat?" and so on.
    ... which is what I was asking at the time.

    You study the form and come up with an evaluation of it. If the evaluation is any good you do okay. If not you're donald-ducked.

    But you won't be right all the time and a bad judge won't be wrong all the time.
    Never stop looking for what's not there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tanlic View Post
    My Great Grandma just read what you wrote to me....you trying to be funny?
    I'm naturally funny, Fist.

    I'm even told I'm at my most funniest when I'm not really trying to be funny, which obviously means I'm really really funny.

    Who needs Russell Brand when you got me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Euronymous View Post
    Don't care. Modern Games was badly drawn and had to be bustled up to lead using energy up. This is not optimal and so he ran below form.
    I said at the time he bet the farm in the first furlong and lost.

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    Anyone think Native Trail will win?
    All comers, all grounds, all beaten!

    This perfect mix of poetry and destruction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankel View Post
    Anyone think Native Trail will win?
    The Irish Guineas run was deeply underwhelming and the St James Palace Stakes didn't boost the form. He's a shocking price with stanima to prove.
    Last edited by Slim; 28th June 2022 at 9:39 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Desert Orchid View Post
    That's what I was implying.
    Oh I know!

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    Quote Originally Posted by barjon View Post
    Mouth watering race and probably best watched. If (and it’s a big if) the Gosdens have got Mishriff back firing on all four then he will be hard to beat.
    The issue I would have with Mishriff is that he was a bit undercooked coming into this race last year off a shorter break before improving in the King George and then putting up a wow performance at York. Why wouldn't they follow a similar path?
    Last edited by Desert Orchid; 28th June 2022 at 9:55 PM.
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    Real World is the one that if he wins it will annoy me. He's been running really good races behind Baaeed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Desert Orchid View Post
    The issue I would have with Mishriff is that he was a bit undercooked coming into this race last year off a shorter break before improving in the King George and then putting up a wow performance at York. Why wouldn't they follow a similar path?
    There’s no arguing with that, desert.

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    I think there might be. Last year he ran in the Saudi Cup and the Sheema this season he missed the Meydan race so Gosden has had longer to let him down and get him fit again. He's also a better horse on decent ground (won plenty of soft races against not much in France).

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    That's a reasonable angle, Euro.

    I'm not sure I would fancy Mishriff first time up in a good G1 after six months off. A G2, maybe, but a race like the Eclipse?

    I made the mistake of backing Hurricane Lane first time up in the Hardwicke and it wasn't even a G1.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slim View Post
    Real World is the one that if he wins it will annoy me. He's been running really good races behind Baaeed.
    I'm on at 8/1, mainly by process of elimination of the others in front of him in the betting.
    Never stop looking for what's not there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tanlic View Post
    I said I wouldn't be putting up any star bets until the jump season started but this one I can't resist:;_

    Vadeni 5/2 5star***** bet.

    Just point him in the rght direction and race over
    Wouldn't be too sure, he's a speed horse not bred for more than 10f, and though the PDJC was 1/2f further, there's only a gnat's in it on standard times
    Sandown's not Chantiilly, and (imo) the Aga' s horse looks up against it here.
    When all else fails - apply logic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Euronymous View Post
    I think there might be. Last year he ran in the Saudi Cup and the Sheema this season he missed the Meydan race so Gosden has had longer to let him down and get him fit again. He's also a better horse on decent ground (won plenty of soft races against not much in France).
    Thady Gosden says: “ Things didn’t go to plan at all in Saudi Arabia with Mishriff this year. He had a busy year last year so we gave him a bit of a break and freshened him up with the target being the Eclipse.
    “The year before in Saudi it was a lot cooler and they had a bit of rain and the track rode very differently and the kick back this year was much more severe than the year before which was maybe down to artificial watering and the temperature.
    “He has got a great attitude and is a very talented horse. He thoroughly enjoys his training and everything has been smooth enough so far with him.
    “He ran well in the Eclipse last year (when finishing third) but he just got a bit tired late on as it is a stiff finish at Sandown. This year it is an incredibly competitive race and most of the field have very good claims and this is his first time out on UK soil so we will have to see how he goes.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by reet hard View Post
    Wouldn't be too sure, he's a speed horse not bred for more than 10f, and though the PDJC was 1/2f further, there's only a gnat's in it on standard times
    Sandown's not Chantiilly, and (imo) the Aga' s horse looks up against it here.
    Sandown is a sharp 10f so not sure the trip will be a problem. It's whether you believe he is 123 on one performance where he wasn't even the stable's first string!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slim View Post
    The Irish Guineas run was deeply underwhelming and the St James Palace Stakes didn't boost the form. He's a shocking price with stanima to prove.
    I just can't have him either.
    All comers, all grounds, all beaten!

    This perfect mix of poetry and destruction.

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