Form from steadily run contests is generally considered unreliable anyway,and I'd doubt SA has the versatily to both stretch and quicken.Originally Posted by Slim
Form from steadily run contests is generally considered unreliable anyway,and I'd doubt SA has the versatily to both stretch and quicken.
Wherever Stone Age finishes my 100-1 each way bet will not be far off him especially over 12 furlongs...
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Desert Orchid (19th May 2022), Outsider (19th May 2022)
So how are they going to ride changingoftheguard then as that one is a front runner.
At the prices I would rather have him.
Its almost joint favourites now. Certainly shows that stone age is being backed and not everbody sees desert crown as a good thing. Both dcrown and emily john in the oaks are way too short imho. I can see both being beaten. Bookies raking it in yet again.
Last edited by Coach miguel; 19th May 2022 at 10:08 PM.
Has anyone heard or seen any update on Point Lonsdale?
I checked the market which he is now not in anymore, but I hadn't seen any news stating it?
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What does that even mean? I do love these cliche sweeping statements to write off a horse people don't fancy. If you don't think Stone Age is a Group 1 animal then you'll be proved wrong.
If he gives Stone Age a lead that's even better.
Outsider (19th May 2022)
They tried that in the Dante (the premier Derby trial, run at a proper pace) and which horse finished strongest of the whole field?
Tried what? The Dante wasn't exactly vintage. It was priced up completely wrong initially with some unexposed horses way too short. The fact Royal Patronage went off joint fav says a lot about the race.They tried that in the Dante (the premier Derby trial, run at a proper pace) and which horse finished strongest of the whole field?
If you think a good pace to run at is good for Desert Crown then I'd suggest you haven't watched Richard Kingscote ride much. There will be a lot of Ballydoyle horses to pin him in. A lot could potentially go wrong for him to take away any class edge.
Last edited by Slim; 20th May 2022 at 8:52 AM.
Keep dreaming,Slim
I've had enough of this thread until June 4th
Slim
I believe you're seriously under-estimating Royal Patronage. Mark Johnston billed him as a very,very good horse, and he's trained enough to know. RP has long been their Derby hope, hence the Epsom run early in his career and the outing at last year's Dante meeting.
Fairly certain he was cocked and ready to fire in this season's Dante, so was amazed to see what Desert Crown did to him.
Make no mistake, DC is probably a very high class colt, with a highly capable trainer, and a jockey you diss at your own peril, so I would tread carefully in supporting something to beat him.
That was a waste of an essay. Bar your last sentence I don't disagree with any of that.
As I said earlier Aiden doesn't really know which of his has the best chance in the Derby and he said as much in a recent interview.
He trains them to come to the boil on the big day and some improve a little some improve by leaps and bounds
and because of the way he trains them there's no real way of knowing which will come on more.
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It's easy to assume Stone Age is the best of his but history tells us not assume anything with Aiden.
Bluegrass who probably needs 14furlongs or more ran Desert Crown to 5 3/4 lengths
I'd like to think Aiden has got a couple a lot better than him heading to Epsom.
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They are just playing Galileo bingo in recent years. Throw as many of them at the race as they can and see what sticks. That doesn't mean you can't assume Stone Age is the best of them, your eyes can tell you that.
This is very good:
https://twitter.com/TheJockeyClub/st...ICb-OLP8g&s=19
I've done RP at 25/1 for a E/W punt..probably put a couple more on nearer the day.
Last edited by downsman; 21st May 2022 at 11:39 AM.
My eyes tell me he won a crap trial and looked like a stayer in the making He was no more impressive than Sir Dragonet or Bolshoi Ballet and many presumed the former was his best when he got stuffed by AVD.
This Derby has all the makings of coming up with a one hit wonder as not one of those entered has show the WOW facter associated witha really top class colt
Last edited by Tanlic; 21st May 2022 at 12:58 PM.
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Nothing will get the trip better than Changingoftheguard and he has enough toe to steal a march on them round Tattenham Corner......I'll weigh in on him at 12/1 for a few quid and hope for the best.
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