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    The Run Wild Fred that ran in a Beginners' Chase in Oct 2020 and can still run in the NHC at the 2022 Festival? It's a nonsense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Euronymous View Post
    The Run Wild Fred that ran in a Beginners' Chase in Oct 2020 and can still run in the NHC at the 2022 Festival? It's a nonsense.
    17 months. I'm sure there are worse examples of second season novices. Ontheropes, fav for the Hennessey, is eligible. His first run in a beginners was in November 2019.


    I see Run Wild Fred as Clever campaigning. Not out of bounds to think he could end up placed in a Gold Cup.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HawkWing View Post
    I see Run Wild Fred as Clever campaigning.
    That would suggest he used the Irish National as a means to preserve his novice status for this season. I wouldn't be sure about that.

    He's probably just improved a fair bit over the summer.
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    1.50 Newbury on Friday. For some reason the layers have Boothill and Mister Coffey at the top of the market which can't be right as A) neither have been seen over fences and B) they are trained by Harry Fry and Hendobottle respectively. Fifty Ball is a bet at 5s - liked his run last time at Sandown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Desert Orchid View Post
    That would suggest he used the Irish National as a means to preserve his novice status for this season. I wouldn't be sure about that.

    He's probably just improved a fair bit over the summer.
    Of course he did. If you think you have a novice (maiden over chases) well enough handicapped to win a Thyestes (winner 60,000) or an Irish National (winner 215,000), you have a free hit. Take the decent prize and if you get chinned by a 150/1 yoke, you have options next year. Don't waste your novice status on a piddling beginners chase.

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    Ahoy Senor looks the real deal.

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    Agreed! Ahoy Senor is as big as 10/1 for the National Hunt Chase and won the other day by half the track off 152 and is likely now to be rated 160 +.

    The current fav is Run Wild Fred 159 at 5/1 who won the Troytown

    Ahoy Senor might just be a bit of a gift at 10's so I had a little dabble
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    You'd want Lucinda to get a race into him at Cheltenham otherwise it's one of those watching from behind the couch. At this stage I'd fancy him more for next year's Laddies Trophy than a top race at the Festival

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    He had his field in trouble a long way out. I would be prepared to back him for either festival target but at this stage, without knowing which he might go for, I couldn't back him for both as you're effectively throwing away half your stake.
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    RSA (Whatever it's called now) seems obvious to me.

    The current fav for the race is a doubtful stayer IMO.
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    The price today was a gift; more fool me for assuming he'd be the fav and not checking. I'd say 3m in March, perhaps taking in the Dipper and the Towton along the way.

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    Looked ideally suited for the Scots national for this year. Likeable horse Not sure if the prize money would be worth it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tanlic View Post
    Agreed! Ahoy Senor is as big as 10/1 for the National Hunt Chase and won the other day by half the track off 152 and is likely now to be rated 160 +.

    The current fav is Run Wild Fred 159 at 5/1 who won the Troytown

    Ahoy Senor might just be a bit of a gift at 10's so I had a little dabble
    Worth stating that Ahoy Senor’s chase mark of 152 is based on his hurdles mark, and he will be assessed afresh after his third chase run.

    That said, I suspect connection will be expecting a good chunk more than that, based on today’s run.

    I try not to go too overboard about form in small-field novice chases, but Ahoy Senor was definitely impressive today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HawkWing View Post
    Looked ideally suited for the Scots national for this year. Likeable horse Not sure if the prize money would be worth it.
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    Irish Nash has been kind to novices lately, and is worth a bundle. Wonder if they might consider that? He definitely looks a thorough stayer on today’s evidence.
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    Edwardstone is a bet in the Henry VIII

    Relative to the favourite he’s the wrong price Saturday. 9/2 with 365 but Betfred offering 3 places @ 4/1. Was cantering in his first run over fences when brought down then won easily next time out.

    Finished in front of Third Time Lucki giving 5lb at Cheltenham over hurdles in March. That one is 6/4 and for all he’s looked good the last twice, this is better and a different track.
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    Looks like we're finally going to get to see Ferny Hollow over fences at Punchestown on Sunday
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    Bloke in bookies saying Galopin Des Champs is crocked.

    Market looks fair enough atm though and not seen anything else. Just merely passing on the rumour mill.

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    Riviere Detel just won Ireland. I couldn't view the race live.

    Generally 10s now for the Arkle. Right price?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marb View Post
    Riviere Detel just won Ireland. I couldn't view the race live.

    Generally 10s now for the Arkle. Right price?
    Looked like the connections of the opposition had their shirts on her today. Never really tried to beat her. Will she even go for the Arkle (being a mare)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marb View Post
    Riviere Detel just won Ireland. I couldn't view the race live.

    Generally 10s now for the Arkle. Right price?
    Looks a good mare. Has a very direct running and jumping style

    Strikes me as needing further but stayers can win Arkles
    Some people say he’s the best since Arkle and that’s certainly true when you look at what he’s done

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