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    A Plus Tard is a horrible price. Best horse no doubt but as with most of Henrys, will need the run I reckon.

    Im chancing Royal Pagaille, Next Destination could quite easily win as well and I echo the above thoughts, just think he’ll want a bit more cut in the ground?

    Not a betting heat this one for me anyway. Tbh I hope Bristol wins.

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    Is it safe to assume Next Destination is a confirmed runner at Haydock, with Nicholls leaving Enrilo to represent him at Newbury?

    If so, 6/1 makes some minor appeal, but much more appeal than anything else.
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    112k for the winner is great

    UK owners must be awash with cash to sit on their hands
    Some people say he’s the best since Arkle and that’s certainly true when you look at what he’s done

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    Quote Originally Posted by Double J View Post
    A Plus Tard is a horrible price. Best horse no doubt but as with most of Henrys, will need the run I reckon.

    Im chancing Royal Pagaille.


    Royal Pagaille's (Out to 8/1 from 10/3) Need for mud is far more a factor than Henry's first time out record, and I fully expect him to swerve the meeting. Henry has had 15 first-time out winners since late-September.
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    I mentioned some time back that the long-range weather forecast I rely on (obviously within limits) was projecting an extended dry spell through the winter right through until April.

    I said at the time it could lead to some dodgy form leading up to the festival. If it remains dry through the festival then the good ground form could be expected to hold sway and we might not actually see that much of the soft ground horses, appearing only when a couple of days' rain is in the offing.

    It could be a weird season.
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    Eight scheduled to go to post.

    Next Destination as big as 15/2 and declared in first-time cheekpieces. Good enough for me.
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    As frontrunner has just pointed-out to me, a decision on Royal P's participation will be made on Saturday morning. Given the ground, this almost certainly means the dead-eight will go up in smoke, so I have held my bet for the moment.
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    Apologies again as off direct topic but had to say was watching Kauto Star's 4th win in this earlier, and seriously had tears in my eyes. He was out on his feet but still kept going. Absolute fantastic repetition from the crowd and deservedly so. I know we all have to go sometime but so sad he's still not here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by G-G View Post
    Apologies again as off direct topic but had to say was watching Kauto Star's 4th win in this earlier, and seriously had tears in my eyes.
    Same here, I laid the ******.

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    Wonderful.

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    Kauto was totally written off in 2011, and was allowed to start at 6/1. A brilliant front-running effort. I’ve never seen a racing crowd happier.

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    I backed the day he pulled up at Punchestown and kept my ticket as memorabilia, thinking he would be retired.
    I jumped around the room after the race also; does not seem like ten years.

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    For what it's worth, gut feeling says A Plus Tard might be undercooked despite HDB saying otherwise & wouldn't be for me at the prices. Problem is not sure who does then win. Think I'll chance Imperial Aura e/w, can't see Haydock suiting Next destination at all & surely suit him more if they go a mad gallop which I can't see. Twister will have BDM primed for this but might be a race too far at his age.

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    I don't like backing horses who are being trained for the Gold Cup in this, Even Kauto Star ahs gone for this undercooked.

    However the Gold Cup is along way off and HDB may not think the same way as PN and may have his 110% ready to go.

    BDM will be sure to be as fit as possible because this is his Gold Cup and anything that is not spot on is going to be left gasping for air in the closing stages, If time has not caught up with the grey.

    This is going to be fascinating to watch so I am keeping my hands on my sheckles and sitting back to enjoy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tanlic View Post
    I am keeping my hands on my sheckles and sitting back to enjoy.
    Is it right that Hitler only had one 'sheckle'?
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    Bristol De Mai just wins and 4/1 will look big
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    I've just done my figures for the race and I'd have to say unless you know for definite APT isn't going to run his race, it might be pointless looking elsewhere.

    That said, PTKO didn't quite run her race last week so there's always that possibility.

    But there's no rule that says you have to have a bet in the race.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Desert Orchid View Post
    I've just done my figures for the race and I'd have to say unless you know for definite APT isn't going to run his race, it might be pointless looking elsewhere.

    That said, PTKO didn't quite run her race last week so there's always that possibility.

    But there's no rule that says you have to have a bet in the race.
    Having watched last weeks race back again and in particular the prelims PTKO poor run can be put down to how buzzed up she got in the parade ring, her race was over before she went on to the course. I certainly wouldnt use it as evidence that Henry's need a run.

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    With the amount of prize money for the winner you would have to think H de B would have it ready but just in case I've agreed with Danny B and gone with Imperial aura at 10/1.hope all 8 run.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wilsonl View Post
    Bristol De Mai just wins and 4/1 will look big
    have bet him cos im going along today and wanted an interest. wouldn't go near this race otherwise

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