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    King George Chase

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    Looks like few of the Irish horses will be coming over

    Henry has mentioned Minella but surely Envoi

    Willie has Allaho too but owners may not want both
    Some people say he’s the best since Arkle and that’s certainly true when you look at what he’s done

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    Is there anything for Asterion Forlonge right-handed over Christmas? I might be tempted to back him for this.
    "Beat the price and lose. It's what we do".

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    Scratchings: Waiting Patiently, Clondaw Castle, Espoir De Romay, The Big Breakaway, Cloth Cap & Kitty's Light.
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    If I thought for 1 minute Envoi Allen was coming over....8/1?..

    We are desperately in need of some new blood in the 3m chasing ranks

    Frodon is a fun pony to watch

    Clan Des Obeaux has always looked 2nd rate to me in comparison to other winners.

    Envoi Allen would be like a breath of fresh air if he were to come over but at 8/1 on offer the bookies obviously think there's very little chance of that happening
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    Envoi Allen due to run in the John Durkan this weekend, Fist. Allaho also left in for the same owner.

    Energume taken out of the race, but left in the Hilly Way at Cork, so looks like they will stick to the 2m route for the time being (Allaho also given this option).
    Last edited by Grasshopper; 30th November 2021 at 7:20 PM.
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    Cheers! It looks like Mullins is out to pick up both 40k paydays with Energume and Alloho plus the 70k Tingle Creek.

    Had a look at his form and the weak link could be Alloho who has yet to win first time up.

    With Envoi Allen being Henry's only entry he looks likely to run as you suggest.

    If he were to win with the minimum of fuss and 3 weeks until the King George??? doubtful I suppose

    Unless it turns up a bog I wouldn't fancy his other entry Minella Indo one bit.

    I'm still scratching my head wondering how he managed to win the Gold Cup.
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    Minella Indo is almost certain to go in the Savills. Almost all of the Irish entries are precautionary I’d say, in case the weather puts Leopardstown in doubt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grasshopper View Post
    Minella Indo is almost certain to go in the Savills. Almost all of the Irish entries are precautionary I’d say, in case the weather puts Leopardstown in doubt.
    APT seems certain for Leop so not sure they will do both
    Some people say he’s the best since Arkle and that’s certainly true when you look at what he’s done

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tanlic View Post
    Cheers!

    I'm still scratching my head wondering how he managed to win the Gold Cup.
    em, a really good horse who has Cheltenham form and wasn't stopping at any stage coming up the hill
    Some people say he’s the best since Arkle and that’s certainly true when you look at what he’s done

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    Quote Originally Posted by granger View Post
    APT seems certain for Leop so not sure they will do both
    Different owners though, and not at all convinced a track like Kempton would suit a big galloper like Minella Indo.
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    It was the hill that that was off-putting and probably why Rachael deserted him.

    He must have had 6 lengths on Champ in the RSA and stopped like shot.

    My thought was the 2nd and 2rd in whatever order would have been too strong for him.

    I wasn't the only person who got it wrong and thought Rachel surely couldn't be wrong.

    Anyway it looks like we're in for another average Gold Cup with Monkfish sidelined and Envoi Allen looking like a Ryanair horse
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    Can see Envoi losing at the weekend. Then coming out at Christmas vs Chacun over 2m. Henry talks a lot about how much pace he has, highly doubt we’ll see him going Gold Cup route.

    APT - Gold Cup
    Allaho - Ryanair
    Envoi - Champion Chase

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grasshopper View Post
    Is there anything for Asterion Forlonge right-handed over Christmas? I might be tempted to back him for this.
    No, not really

    They could run him at Tramore in the new year or else The Thyestes at Gowran in Feb
    Last edited by granger; 1st December 2021 at 11:18 AM.
    Some people say he’s the best since Arkle and that’s certainly true when you look at what he’s done

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grasshopper View Post
    Different owners though, and not at all convinced a track like Kempton would suit a big galloper like Minella Indo.
    I'd run him at Leop for sure

    Kempton strikes me as not compatible to him
    Some people say he’s the best since Arkle and that’s certainly true when you look at what he’s done

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    Quote Originally Posted by granger View Post
    em, a really good horse who has Cheltenham form and wasn't stopping at any stage coming up the hill
    He got a nice lead in the Gold Cup, one he never enjoyed in the RSA. I went into last season convinced Monalee would fulfill that role but it ended up being Frodon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Euronymous View Post
    He got a nice lead in the Gold Cup, one he never enjoyed in the RSA. I went into last season convinced Monalee would fulfill that role but it ended up being Frodon.
    I think this is a good take on him

    A somewhat mentally lazy horse that needs something to focus on and betetr off a decent slip than a slow and steady

    APT is classier but MI wins a battle
    Some people say he’s the best since Arkle and that’s certainly true when you look at what he’s done

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    Had APT jumped slicker he may well have won.
    All comers, all grounds, all beaten!

    This perfect mix of poetry and destruction.

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    Re: the Gold Cup are we being to quick to write off Al Boum Photo 20/1 (huge IMO) who will only be 10 years of age in March?

    Let's not forget he is a dual winner and went off at 9/4 fav in March.

    They can all have an off day.

    He then ran a cracker behind dual King George winner Clan des Obeaux on a track he failed to win at and at a distance he has never won at.
    Last edited by Tanlic; 1st December 2021 at 2:35 PM.
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    I rate last season's Gold Cup very highly. Better than the likes of Best Mate.

    (Stands back and watches it kick off...)
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