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    Road to the 2022 Champion Hurdle

    Forgive me if there’s already a thread in circulation for this, I looked but couldn’t find one.

    Silver Streak looks set get his campaign underway this Sunday at Kempton in the Listed 2m hurdle he’s taken for the past two seasons.

    Sharjah has won both the Galway & Tipperary Hurdles over the summer and will surely head down this route.

    Reining champion Honeysuckle will more than likely start with a defense of the Hattons Grace hurdle.

    Great to be talking about this again.


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    Ferny Hollow is still my pick. I dont believe the talk of him going over fences.

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    Road to the 2022 Champion Hurdle

    Quote Originally Posted by Double J View Post
    Ferny Hollow is still my pick. I dont believe the talk of him going over fences.
    It’ll be very interesting to see what he does. Having seen him up close and personal he is massive and literally made for a fence so the next month or so will be intriguing. One of the stand out horses at Closutton.


    Still strange even saying this but we may or may not have interest in this yet with Shewearsitwell. It depends what way Willie wants to go with her.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Kauto Abu View Post
    Forgive me if there’s already a thread in circulation for this, I looked but couldn’t find one.

    Sharjah has won both the Galway & Tipperary Hurdles over the summer and will surely head down this route.
    Saldier won both the Galway & Tipperary Hurdles

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kauto Abu View Post
    It’ll be very interesting to see what he does. Having seen him up close and personal he is massive and literally made for a fence so the next month or so will be intriguing. One of the stand out horses at Closutton.


    Still strange even saying this but we may or may not have interest in this yet with Shewearsitwell. It depends what way Willie wants to go with her.




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    You'd think Willie would want to keep Shewearsitwell and Echoes In Rain apart come March, and if that's the case SWIW looks more likely to want the Mares Hurdle trip, with EIR wanting the minimum.

    She's a nice horse for you to have wherever she goes though KA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxbet View Post
    Saldier won both the Galway & Tipperary Hurdles
    My apologies, Saldier was what I meant to say.


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    Road to the 2022 Champion Hurdle

    Quote Originally Posted by Maruco View Post
    You'd think Willie would want to keep Shewearsitwell and Echoes In Rain apart come March, and if that's the case SWIW looks more likely to want the Mares Hurdle trip, with EIR wanting the minimum.

    She's a nice horse for you to have wherever she goes though KA.
    Yeah, it’s a hard one. On her homework she’s all speed but will definitely stay a trip on pedigree. I suppose she showed that speed too at Tipperary in the Joe Mac Novice over the minimum last year.

    He’d also have Stormy Ireland, Concertista & possibly Gauloise for the mares hurdle so as always he’s loads of bullets to fire.


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    I'll be disappointed if the established hurdlers prove too good for the younger ones.
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    You sure DO ?

    Of last season’s 2m novices, the two best are heading over fences, as are the first three home in the Ballymore. If, as indicated, Ferny goes novice chasing too then that only leaves the mares and 4 year old Monmiral who doesn’t look quick enough for a Champion hurdle.

    Quilixios would be interesting but there’s a question as to whether he’ll stay over hurdles too.


    Further evidence of the growing trend to send the best novice hurdlers straight over fences, to the detriment of the Champion hurdle and Honeysuckle would have nothing to fear from any of the younger brigade IMO.
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    What I mean is, I'm looking for something a bit better than the established hurdlers.

    If we end up with the same old same old fair enough but they just aren't floating my boat.

    I suppose I'm looking for a real superstar to emerge and it probably won't happen.
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    How much does a horse have to do to become a real Superstar in your book DO.
    12 races under rules undefeated, culminating in a Champion hurdle stroll.

    Honeysuckle is a Superstar

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    I have a feeling there'll be a consensus among many that she has been winning, not always impressively, at a time when the 2m hurdle division is dire.

    Personally, I think she's a superstar but I can see the argument against.

    Now I'm off to take these splinters out my ar5e cheeks.
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    What puts the 'super' into 'superstar'?

    For me, Honeysuckle is clearly a 'star', but she probably needs to punch a big ratings number, before the 'super' prefix can be added.......and she hasn't quite done that yet, (imo, at any rate).

    That's not to crab her in any way - I think she is a tremendous mare, and it's absolutely no surprise to see her at the head of the Champion Hurdle market.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grasshopper View Post
    What puts the 'super' into 'superstar'?

    For me, Honeysuckle is clearly a 'star', but she probably needs to punch a big ratings number, before the 'super' prefix can be added.......and she hasn't quite done that yet, (imo, at any rate).

    That's not to crab her in any way - I think she is a tremendous mare, and it's absolutely no surprise to see her at the head of the Champion Hurdle market.
    Superstar is a little too freely bandied around nowadays, but I think we can at least pencil in the “super” bit so far as she (sorry to offend the gender neutral brigade) is concerned. She has, after all, beaten off allcomers a dozen times as Maxbet says and you can’t ask for more than that since that’s her business, not chasing a rating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barjon View Post
    Superstar is a little too freely bandied around nowadays, but I think we can at least pencil in the “super” bit so far as she (sorry to offend the gender neutral brigade) is concerned. She has, after all, beaten off allcomers a dozen times as Maxbet says and you can’t ask for more than that since that’s her business, not chasing a rating.
    In my view, you can't ignore ratings when assessing greatness, barjon. Winning-streaks are too crude a measure for my tastes.

    Worth stating that I'm not saying she can't run to a seriously big rating....only that she hasn't done so yet.
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    Anyone know what Timeform have her on? Now they've fucked off the Annuals (still mad about that) I haven't a clue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Euronymous View Post
    Anyone know what Timeform have her on? Now they've fucked off the Annuals (still mad about that) I haven't a clue.
    165p after Cheltenham in March
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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamond Geezer View Post
    165p after Cheltenham in March
    Equivalent to 172(p) for males.

    Very good but not exceptional.

    We're long overdue a 175+ hurdler.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Desert Orchid View Post

    We're long overdue a 175+ hurdler.
    It's not so much the horse isn't there

    The demand is for chasers with P2P's being en vogue

    Selling patterns have horses like Istabraq being staying flat horses now

    Not fully related but the stats on supreme winners winning a champion are ridiculous
    Some people say he’s the best since Arkle and that’s certainly true when you look at what he’s done

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    Since 2011 a dozen Champion Hurdle class horses have hit the frame in the Supreme but only four of them won the Novices' race and they all went chasing.

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