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    Should British Racing Be Worried?

    Here we are, two days in and there have been eight Grade 1 races with British trainers successful in just one. Not only are the best Irish horses markedly superior, but there seems to be a depth of talent there that leaves ours (from my perspective) paper thin. It was brought home to me more starkly by trying to find credible home team opposition in the daily tipping competition - damn difficult and pretty fruitless it was.

    How is this happening? Is it to do with training methods? How horses are sourced? Or what?

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    Better prize money in Ireland?

    If i was ever fortunate enough to own horses, I’d send them Ireland an all. Rather see my horse run in competitive races than have a stroll round at 1/4. Personal preference I guess.

    Nicholls is the only one here I’d trust to run them in genuine races against genuine opposition. He doesn’t seem to have the horses anymore though.

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    We will be sending the Good horses to Aintree.
    Last edited by LUKE; 17th March 2021 at 9:49 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LUKE View Post
    We will be sending the god horses to Aintree.
    Cause we cant beat the Irish at Cheltenham

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    I'm Irish.

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    Too many hard competitive races according to Dan Skelton

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    Quote Originally Posted by LUKE View Post
    I'm Irish.
    Aye, you may as well mop up all over and not just Cheltenham.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LUKE View Post
    I'm Irish.
    You think you’ll be sending the good ones to Aintree? Id say most will he saved for Punchestown.

    I remember Willie sending loads one year, was he not going for the British trainers title as well though

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    you'd tend to think these things are cyclical but ireland have been becoming more and more dominant for the last 5 or so years, and the big owners are definitely favouring the training stables there

    tony keenan on one of the previews i watched was very clear his strategy was heavily favouring the irish runners as he thinks they are so far clear at the moment

    james knight made a fair point on twitter tonight that british trainers should start becoming more bold with their runners outside of cheltenham and not necessarily saving them for a meeting where their chances of winning are diminished, at least for the time being

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    There has never been a cycle when Irish racing had been this dominant. Don't think it is viewed as a failing of the British national character in the same way it was in Ireland. Everyone of a certain age in Ireland understands Galmoys importance. Not sure if it's even seen as something that needs fixing.

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    It'll change one day. Nicholls doesn't prioritise Cheltenham as much as other trainers and Hendo is coming to the end I would think. Skelton is getting closer to be fair. He'd have won the QM today but for the excessive sex allowance.

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    Think it's that Nicholls isn't getting the horses to target Cheltenham as he was doing 10 years ago, and had adjusted accordingly.

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    Where are these horses coming from? Are they still mainly French bred or Irish?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Euronymous View Post
    It'll change one day. Nicholls doesn't prioritise Cheltenham as much as other trainers and Hendo is coming to the end I would think. Skelton is getting closer to be fair. He'd have won the QM today but for the excessive sex allowance.
    Dan Skelton and excessive sex have no place in the same sentence!!

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    Racing styles between the two countries are very different

    Our style suits the long term progression of the horse whereas British racing is balls to the wall with too many options for horses to miss each other.

    And yes, to be very blunt, ireland has many better trainers than the UK currently has.

    Ireland also has a more professional P2P scene
    Some people say he’s the best since Arkle and that’s certainly true when you look at what he’s done

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    Has there ever been a clean sweep of Irish winners on a single day? There were 6 on the Thursday in 2017 and 6 again today (a short head away from all 7). Currently on 11 winners for the festival and on pace to break the record of 19 from 2017.

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    Not yet ep. Today was as close as we ever got

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    All 7 on Friday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by an capall View Post
    Interesting comments from NJH after Shishkins race, " May run him again if we can find something at Aintree or Sandown."

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