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    What was Buick up to on Adayar as he was catching the winner late on - if he was called Cobden he’d be heading for 10 days in the cooler.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slim View Post
    Will end up being a max field. No reason for anything that can run not to at this stage.
    Yes, that's all we need, a 20-runner glorified handicap over the Derby CD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by barjon View Post
    What was Buick up to on Adayar as he was catching the winner late on - if he was called Cobden he’d be heading for 10 days in the cooler.
    He wasn't going to beat the winner so looked after the horse for the milk round.
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    Didn't look in love with the course, imo BJ.
    Last edited by reet hard; 8th May 2021 at 6:15 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Desert Orchid View Post
    Well, it was nice for two weeks
    He's still only 33s. You are still ahead of the game

    Not sure I would be too quick to dismiss the winner. Quickened on the bend well so bodes well for Epsom. Better ground would also be a plus too.
    Big unit the 2nd. Buick clearly just trying to organize him on the turn.

    More trials to come.
    All comers, all grounds, all beaten!

    This perfect mix of poetry and destruction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankel View Post
    More trials to come.
    The one that counts on Thursday!

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    Had a small ew on Ace Aussie @ B365's 250/1 in anticipation of a big run today. 2nd to subsequent Guineas' winner, over this track in April, he's short priced fav today, entered for both Derbys, bred for the trip and worth the highlly speculative punt to opt for Epsom, at the price.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankel View Post
    He's still only 33s. You are still ahead of the game

    Not sure I would be too quick to dismiss the winner. Quickened on the bend well so bodes well for Epsom. Better ground would also be a plus too.
    Big unit the 2nd. Buick clearly just trying to organize him on the turn.

    More trials to come.
    I'm pretty sure after the race Appleby was quoted as saying he won't go to Epsom. I checked at Betfair to see if I could lay it off and it was showing something like 18 but by the time I clicked through it was nearer 200.

    Anyway, you back these hoping to have a few 10-20/1 shots on board at 50-66/1 knowing some won't get there. Right now it looks like none of mine are getting there!

    I'm still very hopeful of a big return from my Mother Earth (25/1)/Santa Barbara (8/1) double.
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    Yes it was reported almost immediately after the race that the Derby was off the cards. I wonder was this a snap decision out of the dissapointed of getting beat. They were obviously expecting a lot more.
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    They've maybe decided he won't act around Epsom - which is probably why he went to Lingfiekd in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Desert Orchid View Post
    I'm pretty sure after the race Appleby was quoted as saying he won't go to Epsom. I checked at Betfair to see if I could lay it off and it was showing something like 18 but by the time I clicked through it was nearer 200.

    Anyway, you back these hoping to have a few 10-20/1 shots on board at 50-66/1 knowing some won't get there. Right now it looks like none of mine are getting there!

    I'm still very hopeful of a big return from my Mother Earth (25/1)/Santa Barbara (8/1) double.
    Trainer Charlie Appleby said of*the runner-up: "Adayar has gained some more experience and was well clear of the third and is a possible for the Derby. We'll see how Hurricane Lane fares in the Dante next week before we finalise plans."

    Can see them swerving it.
    All comers, all grounds, all beaten!

    This perfect mix of poetry and destruction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Desert Orchid View Post
    I have to say, it looks like the Derby is falling apart in front of our eyes.
    With this in mind, I've taken a small poke at Gear Up at 40/1. I presume he'll run in the Dante (Johnston's only entry) and he's already got a decent level of form, having won the G1 Criterium de Saint-Cloud last back-end (10f, heavy) and should stay. He's already got the same RPR as Youth Spirit achieved yesterday and a nice run at York wouldn't do his chances any harm.

    For good measure, I've doubled him with Dubai Fountain (14/1) in the Oaks.

    (I'll copy this to the Longshot thread.)
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    Bolshoi Ballet a good winner in the Derrinstown.

    What will Aidan run in the Dante now then....

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    Impressive by Bolshoi Ballet. 7-4 favourite now and looks the likely winner on that to me.
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    Not too shabby!
    All comers, all grounds, all beaten!

    This perfect mix of poetry and destruction.

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    Did it nicely enough but it looked to me like today was the plan given how positively he was ridden. Has any other Coolmore been ridden so aggressively in a trial? He's run to within a pound or so with the third (rated 11lb higher, beat him 12lb) and I wouldn't be surprised if Lough Derg improves a lot.

    Mac Swiney a tad disappointing but it was his seasonal debut and they will have left plenty to work on for next month.

    I think I'd rather be a layer than a player at 7/4.
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    Quote Originally Posted by reet hard View Post
    Had a small ew on Ace Aussie @ B365's 250/1 in anticipation of a big run today. 2nd to subsequent Guineas' winner, over this track in April, he's short priced fav today, entered for both Derbys, bred for the trip and worth the highlly speculative punt to opt for Epsom, at the price.
    Down to 66/1 after today's run, when looking for all the world like a 12f horse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reet hard View Post
    Down to 66/1 after today's run, when looking for all the world like a 12f horse.
    I was really dissapointed with the run. He was supposedly working the house down the last two weeks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Desert Orchid View Post
    Did it nicely enough but it looked to me like today was the plan given how positively he was ridden. Has any other Coolmore been ridden so aggressively in a trial? He's run to within a pound or so with the third (rated 11lb higher, beat him 12lb) and I wouldn't be surprised if Lough Derg improves a lot.

    Mac Swiney a tad disappointing but it was his seasonal debut and they will have left plenty to work on for next month.

    I think I'd rather be a layer than a player at 7/4.
    That's a very harsh assement. The race was over at the mile pole. He destroyed them. No need for Aidan to run every Galileo in the yard now, that's the winner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slim View Post
    I was really dissapointed with the run. He was supposedly working the house down the last two weeks.
    As it was only the 5th run of his life, the distance and the way he was ridden, suggest the race was educational rather than a serious attempt on the prize, imo.

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