He won't get into anything at Cheltenham MarbOriginally Posted by Marb
He won't get into anything at Cheltenham Marb
Yes I think you're right.
Imperial cup would be a lovely race for him to try and win at his age in its own right.
Last edited by Marb; 8th March 2021 at 3:26 PM.
HOMME PUBLIC fred winter boodles hcap 28s skynet 5 places.
If this was trained by a top trainer it wouldnt be this price.finished just behind Houx Gris (5/1) in france and is better at the weights.
Ever the glutton for punishment, I've gone in on a hunch and backed Langer Dan in both the Coral Cup (40/1) and Martin Pipe (50/1), both NRNB and BOG, so most bases are covered.
I haven't studied his form in any detail, I should admit.
However, he's only 8/1 for the Imperial Cup with Skelton already booked, which made me have a quick look.
He wasn't beaten at all far in the Fred Winter last year and is now lower (4lbs, I think) in the weights after a few modest runs this season. The Imperial Cup will be his second run since a wind op and a penalty will help him make the cut in either festival race. If he did win the Imperial Cup his price would collapse and even a narrow defeat might have the same impact.
Skelton is more than capable of laying them out for the handicaps (Mohayyed, Superb Story, Ch'tibello...) but maybe the bonus is in the crosshairs this year.
At the price, I don't mind tagging along.
Whether I'll back him on Saturday is another matter!
Illegitimi non carborundum
Outsider (9th March 2021)
I had a small ew interest in the Langer Dan for the Pipe race, the other day, DO.
At #97 on the card, he will surely struggle to get into the Coral Cup - even with a penalty
Last edited by Grasshopper; 9th March 2021 at 7:05 PM.
"Beat the price and lose. It's what we do".
SlimChance, March 2018
Desert Orchid (9th March 2021), Outsider (9th March 2021)
FIRST LORD DE CUET m.pipe 33/1 trained by D.Pipe.also entered for the pertemps.
Last edited by Outsider; 10th March 2021 at 1:23 AM.
Big ew patent nrnb
FIRST LORD DE CUET 33/1 m.pipe
JACOMAR 33/1 pertemps
ALMAZHAR GUARDE plate 40/1
I can dream.
Desert Orchid (10th March 2021)
Copied from the Handicaps thread:
I've taken one at a price in the Kim Muir, NRNB/BOG, just in case it doesn't actually run or, worse still, tries his hand in the NHC.
Macgiloney 33/1 - it's a slightly left-field selection but there has to be a chance he's been plotted up for over 18 months for this, since he went close in a decent novices' hurdle at Galway. He later came over to Cheltenham rated 137 but didn't run well behind Ramses De Teillee although the balance of his form suggests the heavy ground would have been against him.
A 137 novice then should have become a 147 second-season hurdler or first-season novice chaser, going on to become a 157 second-season chaser.
It looks to me like he's been kept largely to diddy races in which he can have a doddle around to gain experience but when the money's down he can run well. He beat Doctor Duffy (odds-on, 12L clear of the third, now rated 147) last July. He was also pitched in against Monkfish last month at 200/1 so an ideal opportunity to suffer a hefty doing but he ended up being brought down early. He then took in a weak novice chase, which he won despite a slipping saddle in ground that wouldn't have suited.
He looks like having every chance of making the cut at #30 on the current card and is off 131.
Last edited by Desert Orchid; 12th March 2021 at 10:53 PM.
Illegitimi non carborundum
I love your way of thinking.always look forward to reading your thoughts.
Have you noticed LASAKIN in the plate.venitia William's.only got it in feb and it hasnt run in this country yet.
Desert Orchid (13th March 2021)
Yes. I have 'chk' annotated next to his name to remind me to check his form since it isn't in 'the book'. It certainly caught my eye give VW's astuteness.
Edit just checked - Laskalin is rated 65 in France, which translates straight across to 143 so the handicapper has taken his French counterpart very much on trusst.
I wonder if the buyer is the same as the one who found royale Pagaille who was rated 62 in France!!
(Makes you wonder about Paul's Saga who is rated 78/172.)
Last edited by Desert Orchid; 13th March 2021 at 10:41 AM.
Illegitimi non carborundum
Outsider (13th March 2021)
Sandown 1.50 Road Senam 50/1 - in similar vein to Laskalin above, Road Senam was 66 in France which translates to 145. Two quiet runs and it turns up in this race off 125. At the price, why not.
Illegitimi non carborundum
Outsider (13th March 2021)
Hard not to be a wee bit annoyed by that. Anchored in rear off a slow pace in very soft ground, never put in the race or given a clear run and jogs on past beaten horses for fifth place.
Is there another valuable novices' handicap hurdle in the calendar in the next month or so?
Illegitimi non carborundum
Outsider (13th March 2021)
Pissed off with that. I put Road Senam in an acca, when Corals were offering 5 places. With the NRs and a 15-horse field, they changed the terms of the bet. I’d have been happy with a deduction, not a change in the terms of the bet.
She’s got another one from France running today, as well. Farinet 3:35 Sandown. Ran well in his first race in UK at Haydock being given an easy time and promptly thrown into listed company today. It’s not a longshot, I’m afraid, but worth a mention.
Last edited by barjon; 13th March 2021 at 3:23 PM.
Desert Orchid (13th March 2021), Outsider (13th March 2021)
Be a right shame if we don't get a run, DO. That was impressive, and he barely came out of a canter.
He's #41 on the card. It's going to be close at best, I think.
Last edited by Grasshopper; 13th March 2021 at 3:41 PM.
"Beat the price and lose. It's what we do".
SlimChance, March 2018
I didn't back anything in today's race but I'm pleased with that!
I reckon Grasshopper will be too.
Last edited by Desert Orchid; 13th March 2021 at 3:40 PM.
Illegitimi non carborundum
Got there just ahead of you, Mo.
"Beat the price and lose. It's what we do".
SlimChance, March 2018
And me.i joined in.
Desert Orchid (13th March 2021)
Edited.
Last edited by Marb; 13th March 2021 at 4:18 PM.
The rain might not have helped so hopefully we will have a drying day and a half.
If he stays I think Nietzsche could run well tomorrow in the Ultima.
Won the Greatwood a few years ago and his run over 2 miles in December behind Sky Pirate and Ibleo reads really well.
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