General consensus seems to be that Stoute won't rush him for the Derby and go for the Dante as a bridge to Group 1 company. Hard not be really impressed with that.
General consensus seems to be that Stoute won't rush him for the Derby and go for the Dante as a bridge to Group 1 company. Hard not be really impressed with that.
Last edited by Slim; 24th June 2020 at 4:19 PM.
Stoute ran Ulysses in the Derby before he was ready. Can see him being reluctant to do the same again, esp with the same owner.
Yeah very impressive, Slim. I loved the way he travelled into contention like a very good horse. This fella could be better than Ulysses.
If he comes out the race well they should let him take his chance. After all this is the Epsom Derby we are talking about. They only get one crack at it as 3 year olds.
If he is a confirmed runner he will go off single figure prices on the day. I for one will be punting him.
Last edited by Marb; 24th June 2020 at 2:14 PM.
I think the only fair comparison is to use however long TM has been going and use the first same amount of years for LD.
Still applies and oranges in my opinion, but
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I haven't seen the race but would not want to go overboard about it, just seeing the result.
The first two were tracker horses for me but obviously had the market sewn up so I left the race alone. Put a gun to my head for a selection and I'd have gone for the Stoute horse becuse Waldkonig was so disappointing last time and it's possible that he's taking his time putting it together this season on the track or I wouldn't be surprised if Gosden (and Stoute with the winner for that matter) are more focused on the second half of the 'season'. And they weren't really that far clear of a bunch of 250/1 donks.
Dettori for English King does speak volumes, I reckon, as he'll know what's happening in all the big stables but I can't get too excited about him either.
I think it might end up a very competitive - in the sense that they're all substandard and of a similar standard - so I'm happy not to have a bet for now.
Last edited by Desert Orchid; 24th June 2020 at 6:49 PM.
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Military March has suffered a setback and is out of the Derby. Bollox!
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I watched the race earlier today. I can't say I was impressed by it as a Derby trial. I wonder if Waldkonig stays. He was still in control as Moore got down to business on Highest Ground but ultimately couldn't go with it. I also wonder if Waldkonig has trained on or is taking time to come to himself, for all he appears to be impressing on the gallops. Morning glory, possibly too?
There doesn't seem to be any strong vibes from either camp regarding these as potential Derby horses either.
Shame about Military March too.
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In a unique season it may not matter as much but classic form often works out and Vatican City showed promise at the Curragh.
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Military March Out....
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Bit gutted about that but am on English King and also Mogul as he should was fat at Ascot and must improve.
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Kameko for me, English King is too short.
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I had a quick look at the race on Monday. So far I'm still trying to find something worth backing.
I would worry about English King. Apparently when asked the other day if he was the best horse he'd ever trained, the trainer said no, that was Stormy Antartica, which struggles in lower class.
If Mogul was so overweight at Ascot, I can't see him being anything other than still overweight a couple of weeks later. Jason Weaver clearly had got word about Japan early last season but it didn't hit form until the second half of the season. He's talking similarly about Mogul and it looks like the horse will come good in time but maybe not in time for Saturday.
I still think O'Brien will win and the Irish Derby cemented that opinion. I'd be pretty confident he knows he's got something better than Santiago or any of the others that dominated the finish of that race for this weekend.
There was an O'Brien horse ran on into fourth or so in the Irish Guineas but its name escapes me and right now I can't be arsed to look it up . I'll probably include it in any bets I end up having.
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Armory.
Ah! but a man's reach should exceed his grasp......
Armory. Goes to the French Derby
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