Yep. I liked the way he really knuckled down today.Originally Posted by Frankel
Yep. I liked the way he really knuckled down today.
Illegitimi non carborundum
As his trainer said "He's found his bag now" - weak gp1's over less than 1m.
Jamie Lynch the latest to try and convince himself that Pinatubo's a miler:
https://www.attheraces.com/blogs/jam...pinatubo-story
His long and turgid soliloquy deliberately swerves a couple of glaring facts, though:
His finishing speed in the Jean Prat was entirely due to the steady early pace and it being over 7f.
Connections will obviously be keen to establish him as a proven gp1 miler, so they've mooted the Breeder's Cup, around much the sha'rpest track he's ever raced over.
Hed stilll be a long way from a laydown, though.
Last edited by reet hard; 17th July 2020 at 6:48 AM.
I go back to the sectionals in the SJP. Clock watchers think Pinatubo was simply beaten by speed rather than stamina.
The fact Pinatubo fell back in to the lap of Wichita yet was still quicker in that last furlong is telling.
Between the 2 and just before the half furlong Pinatubo looked like he might get it done (Would like to know that split).
At that point PP got on top of him as he then fell back in to Witchita.
Sectionals are hugely important as is seeing how the race unfolds in front of you.
All comers, all grounds, all beaten!
This perfect mix of poetry and destruction.
Sectionals are garbage - unless one takes proper account of the circumstances, which JL has palbably failed to do in his misguided (and excruciately boring) missive.
Frankel
SJP sectionals,Pinatubo. - from ATR website:
15.46
13.08Rear
12.79Rear
12.66Rear
12.68Rear
12.30Front
11.64Front
11.95 2nd
Form commentary:
held up in rear, angled out and good headway between horses over 2f out, went 2nd over 1f out, soon ridden to challenge, led 100 yards out, headed and no extra towards finish
Race finish % 109.37
All of which clearly indicate a steady early pace.
His energy distribution chart also shows he conserved his until the last 2f.
Like Jamie Lynch, you're messing with stuff you don't begin to understand.
Last edited by reet hard; 17th July 2020 at 5:05 PM.
Danny (17th July 2020)
Woah!
Please feel free to enlighten us what we don't begin to understand! Await with bated breath.
All comers, all grounds, all beaten!
This perfect mix of poetry and destruction.
For what it's worth, Frankel, Alpine Star got a Raceform Topspeed of 110 compared with Palace Pier's 108 but I'm sure I read somewhere that while Alpine Star didn't get any sectional mark-up, Palace Pier's was 17lbs due to a very fast closing sectional, suggesting the SJP was a jog-and-sprint affair.
Illegitimi non carborundum
Was fairly obvious at the time how the race was run which was backed up by the sectionals.
So what are we debating here? Or what don't I understand apparently?
All comers, all grounds, all beaten!
This perfect mix of poetry and destruction.
How to interpret sectionals properly - obviously!Was fairly obvious at the time how the race was run which was backed up by the sectionals.
So what are we debating here? Or what don't I understand apparently?
The sophisticated type of response I was expectingHow to interpret sectionals properly - obviously!
Also of one who can't read a race.
I'll just make do with being right about PP winning the race.
All comers, all grounds, all beaten!
This perfect mix of poetry and destruction.
Just backing you up.Was fairly obvious at the time how the race was run which was backed up by the sectionals.
So what are we debating here? Or what don't I understand apparently?
Illegitimi non carborundum
Frankel (17th July 2020)
Amazing how many times you got it right - after the race.The sophisticated type of response I was expecting
Also of one who can't read a race.
I'll just make do with being right about PP winning the race.
The bottom line is this - Pinatubo can't cut it in top class 1m races, as he's already proven and will continue to do so. Even Simon Rowlands, erstwhile champion of the horse now concedes that point.
Last edited by reet hard; 18th July 2020 at 1:16 AM.
Yep I clearly had no clue PP was improving and Pinatubo wasn't!Amazing how many times you got it right - after the race.
The bottom line is this - Pinatubo can't cut it in top class 1m races, as he's already proven and will continue to do so. Even Simon Rowlands, erstwhile champion of the horse now concedes that point.
You have clearly misinterpreted what I have said if you think I have been championing Pinatubo, especially over a mile.
All comers, all grounds, all beaten!
This perfect mix of poetry and destruction.
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