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    Cheltenham 2019 / 2020

    Online version of this season's Kalendar magazine, click small arrow to the right to flip through the pages

    https://online.flippingbook.com/view/784183/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamond Geezer View Post
    Online version of this season's Kalendar magazine, click small arrow to the right to flip through the pages

    https://online.flippingbook.com/view/784183/
    I got this in the post at the weekend. You can download the horses mouth app and hover your phone over some of the pics (those with the little symbol in the corner) to get some background. For the one with Ed Chamberlin you get an interview.

    Nice but I’m sure many would prefer cheaper bar or ticket prices


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    A stat of last season's Festival winners.

    Date of first race of the season:

    Klassical Dream 26/12
    Duc Des Genievres 18/12
    Beware The Bear 1/12
    Espoir D'Allen 10/11
    Roksana 2/2
    A Plus Tard 24/11
    Le Breuil 4/11

    City Island 1/8
    Topofthegame 7/12
    William Henry 26/12
    Altior 8/12
    Tiger Roll 16/11
    Band Of Outlaws 9/12
    Envoi Allen 2/12

    Defi Du Seuil 18/11
    Sire Du Berlais 10/11
    Frodon 28/10
    Paisley Park 28/10
    Siruh Du Lac 8/11
    Eglantine Du Seuil 21/8
    Any Second Now 10/11

    Pentland Hills 25/2
    Ch'tibello 20/10
    Minella Indo 29/12
    Al Boum Photo 1/1
    Hazel Hill 15/2
    Croco Bay 31/7
    Early Doors

    Thus, winners by starting month:
    1 July
    2 August
    0 September
    3 October
    8 November
    10 December
    1 January
    3 February
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    Interesting stat.

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    I think that it's slightly skewed by the dry autumn. The breakdown for 2017/18 is:

    3 May
    1 August
    9 October
    4 November
    5 December
    1 January
    4 February
    1 March

    If I take it any further I'll probably concentrate on championship and novice races.
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    It's interesting stuff, but I'm not seeing a huge trend that I could use to influence my betting patterns - in fact, it would be fair to say that there doesn't appear to be too much disadvantage in when you start them off - it probably follows the general pattern of when horses that run at Cheltenham start off their campaigns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simmo View Post
    It's interesting stuff, but I'm not seeing a huge trend that I could use to influence my betting patterns - in fact, it would be fair to say that there doesn't appear to be too much disadvantage in when you start them off - it probably follows the general pattern of when horses that run at Cheltenham start off their campaigns.
    You'd need a much bigger sample cross-referenced with average ground conditions but I'm thinking that it's only going to be informative for individual races or groups of races. That's why I mentioned championship and novice races in particular.
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    Press release re next week's Showcase Meeting, since release the McNeills have stated the preferred option for The Butcher Said is a 3m race on the Saturday.

    https://www.thejockeyclub.co.uk/chel...-the-showcase/

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    Quote Originally Posted by archie View Post
    You'd need a much bigger sample cross-referenced with average ground conditions but I'm thinking that it's only going to be informative for individual races or groups of races. That's why I mentioned championship and novice races in particular.
    Yep - I'd take the bumper out of the sample too as it has a tendency to supply outliers on this data.

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    Quote Originally Posted by archie View Post
    You'd need a much bigger sample cross-referenced with average ground conditions but I'm thinking that it's only going to be informative for individual races or groups of races. That's why I mentioned championship and novice races in particular.
    Yep - I'd take the bumper out of the sample too as it has a tendency to supply outliers on this data.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simmo View Post
    It's interesting stuff, but I'm not seeing a huge trend that I could use to influence my betting patterns - in fact, it would be fair to say that there doesn't appear to be too much disadvantage in when you start them off - it probably follows the general pattern of when horses that run at Cheltenham start off their campaigns.

    When I started punting in the early 80's you just completely discounted anything that ran before the first of October when it came to the festival.I think it shows how the game has changed in that time -a four day festival, a dedicated summer jumping season you see Willie Mullns French imports winning at places like Sligo and there is no telling how good they are.The excellent drainage is also a factor.

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    Looking at last season's Festival winners in another way, I was struck that there were 14 French bred and 14 Irish bred (and thus no GB bred) winners. Digging a little deeper I came across this article which makes interesting reading:
    https://www.racingpost.com/bloodstoc...estival/371963
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    All you need for this weeks meeting....

    1. Going: https://www.thejockeyclub.co.uk/chel...ers/the-going/

    2. Weather: https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/forecast/gcnx0z9e5

    3. Entries: Friday https://www.attheraces.com/racecard/...ober-2019/1400

    If you're too lazy to click 1 & 2, it's currently Good, Good to Soft in places, but looks a dry week so probably Good by Friday

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    One of the bacon bap thingies now charging £6 for a roll when it was £5 end of last season, when it was literally a roll with two small over cooked rashers in it.
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    I like Vengeur De Guye from Lucinda Russell's yard in the 2 mile chase on Friday. He races with a very low weight with a five pound claimer.

    I reckon it was a career best the last day with top weight. He has the profile of a dark horse upped in class.

    Bun Doran is a horse I know about but not for me at that price and I think I have found the right alternative in the shape of Vengeur De Guye.
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    Plenty of clues this weekend then

    https://www.racingpost.com/news/late...estival/408792

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    So, an average of 4 out of 28 winners per year have run at the November meeting. Interesting but not exactly earth-shattering. I like my stats but without the number of runners who ran in November and failed in March there isn't much context.
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