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    The Arc 2019 discussion thread

    Enable is a mare of the highest calibre; according to Oisin Murphy the best since Frankel.

    I've no problem with her winning, winning it again next year, the year after; even being the greatest horse of all time for that matter.

    But...err... Waldgiest at 16/1, really?

    This has strong each way claims.

    He gave Enable three pounds at Ascot, was only beaten under two lengths, staying on well in third place.

    Enable, Crystal Ocean and Waldgiest pulled miles clear of the fourth.

    I reckon Waldgiest has a solid profile. While it's not essential, if rain arrived it would help him more.

    He's best after an absence, (gaps of a few months, as opposed to years off the track), so if they rest him until early October, I can't see why he can't finish in the first three.

    Enable is a great thing, but Waldgiest looks a class each way bet.
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    Is Crystal Ocean a good thing in the Juddmonte then?

    There's three quality horses in opposition, King Of Comedy, Elarqam and Circus Maximus, none of whom are currently likely to run in the Arc.

    Maybe Crystal Ocean did actually have a very hard race the last day?

    If he gets beat everything else will shorten up a bit including Waldgeist - So the time to commit on Waldgeist may be near.

    If Crystal Ocean wins as expected Waldgeist's price probably won't change. It's a win-win. Time to back him now.
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    I'm not sure I follow your logic here. If crystal ocean wins, waldgeist stays the same price but if he loses he shortens?
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    Quote Originally Posted by simmo View Post
    I'm not sure I follow your logic here. If crystal ocean wins, waldgeist stays the same price but if he loses he shortens?
    With Crystal Ocean's three main rivals on Wednesday not Arc horses...this definately supports my overall argument. Crystal Ocean either holds his position in the betting market by winning or gets beat in which case he has no chance in the Arc and the others are bigger dangers to Enable.
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    I'd have thought that a crystal ocean win shortens all of those associated with him personally.
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    By 'all those', do you mean Enable and Waldgeist?

    Thats a fair point actually. I hadn't considered that angle.

    For purely selfish reasons I'd rather Crystal Ocean got beat and that would be one less serious contender to worry about for mine.
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    Yeah, they were the ones I was thinking of. A CO win makes them all look good, especially Enable.
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