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    Quote Originally Posted by an capall View Post
    I hope they retire Enable now and preserve her memory as it currently shines as I think in posterity she may be seen as the 'Beef or Salmon' of the flat. She won a lot of small field average Group One's, mostly beating the same horse (s), without ever really establishing true greatness.
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    I agree

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    Quote Originally Posted by sunybay View Post
    Spot on
    I agree
    i.e. You couldn't be more wrong.
    Last edited by reet hard; 9th October 2019 at 11:35 AM.

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    Enable was a marvellous mare
    very consistent and she is not guilty of being overrated

    She is not in the top 5 mares in my list in recent years

    first to come to mind without reserching better than her could be
    Danedream
    Treve
    Zarkava
    Goldikova
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    Interesting comparison with Danedream. Both top class so naturally as fillies with the excessive wfa they were both wildly impressive in their 3yo years as Arc winners. Their KG's as older fillies/mares look similar also. Enable just besting CO and Danedream scoring narrowly from Enable's father with Waldgeist and SNA in third. I would rate Waldgeist as better than Nicholas though. Ratings wise I'd go:

    Zarkava 134
    Goldikova 133
    Treve 130
    Enable 130
    Danedream 129

    dunno about the Aussie fillies.

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    Arc sectionals:
    https://www.attheraces.com/images/fe...nds_v2_400.jpg

    Seems that NH racing is to get its own furlong-by-furlong sectionals*, though they'll likely be only at the tracks ATR cover.

    *First time ever for UK jumps, AFAIAA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Euronymous View Post
    Interesting comparison with Danedream. Both top class so naturally as fillies with the excessive wfa they were both wildly impressive in their 3yo years as Arc winners. Their KG's as older fillies/mares look similar also. Enable just besting CO and Danedream scoring narrowly from Enable's father with Waldgeist and SNA in third. I would rate Waldgeist as better than Nicholas though. Ratings wise I'd go:

    Zarkava 134
    Goldikova 133
    Treve 130
    Enable 130
    Danedream 129

    dunno about the Aussie fillies.
    I would certainly have Zarkava and Treve above Enable. Not sure about Zarkava being four clear of Treve? Treve was some sight in her 1st Arc.
    All comers, all grounds, all beaten!

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    Any news on whether they stay in training?

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    Waldgeist must be a good bet for the Breeders.

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    I love Enable but I really, really hope they call it a day. Nothing left to prove and absolutely no point going to America. If she went and won, so what? We know she is a great mare. If she went and lost, everyone would say she shouldn't have gone, but she is still a great mare and racehorse.
    Vote Alfie!!!!

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    Yep.

    Waldgeist I'd like to see stay in training though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G-G View Post
    I love Enable but I really, really hope they call it a day. Nothing left to prove and absolutely no point going to America. If she went and won, so what? We know she is a great mare. If she went and lost, everyone would say she shouldn't have gone, but she is still a great mare and racehorse.
    Couldn’t agree more.
    tu ne cede malis, sed contra audentior ito

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankel View Post
    I would certainly have Zarkava and Treve above Enable. Not sure about Zarkava being four clear of Treve? Treve was some sight in her 1st Arc.
    Treve was full value for her winning margin that day whereas Zarkava burst clear later on in her renewal.

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    Enable stays in training.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonjers View Post
    Enable stays in training.
    Brave call but Winx raced on till 7 - they must feel they were robbed by the mud.

    Not doubt they will call a halt if she is in decline.

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    Matt Chapman (on Twitter) is taking credit for the decision.
    "And still they gazed and still the wonder grew. That one small head could carry all he knew.

    And that small head knew that Impaire Et Passe would win the Champion Hurdle."

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    To be fair he was responsible for Live Aid, the Iraq War, and turning around the global recession, so his involvement in this doesn't surprise me.

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    It's great news, a very fine achievement by Mr Chapman. But will he fix Brexit?

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    I don't think he's told Boris the real deadline yet Art.

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    Brave decision to keep her in training -I thought it a 50/1 shot.

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    Illogical from a financial/welfare point of view. Completely logical for an ageing owner who enjoys the sport on its own merits.
    "And still they gazed and still the wonder grew. That one small head could carry all he knew.

    And that small head knew that Impaire Et Passe would win the Champion Hurdle."

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