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    Quote Originally Posted by Desperate Dan View Post
    One good thing for the country is that it looks like Ali, of this parish, will now be staying. Let`s hope he doesn`t need the NHS in the near future, despite the extra 50,000 nurses and 40 hospitals!
    I have done and continue to pay more than enough taxes now so that if I ever did need the NHS, which I hope not, I would be well in credit.

    I relieve significant burden on the NHS by having private healthcare and I think that should be encouraged more. As with private education also.

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    The type of leader who would do well as Labour leader against Boris now would be Ed Balls.

    He was a key part of the New Labour machinery, without neccesarily being known to the public as the figurehead or 'leader',. He has since done very well on Strictly Come Dancing and the public have really taken to him.

    I was reading an article by Janet Street Porter in the Independant which said this three years ago.

    A shame he seems to have retired.
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    Labour would need to reconcile the grass roots support for old labour with the requirement to be a bit more new labour before they could elect someone like ed balls, never mind win over the country.

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    Aye. But I don't think any of the current crop have what it takes I am afraid to say, and that includes the well touted Keir Starmer.

    I am slightly perplexed as to why it seems like I am the only person who thinks this.

    This isn't about winning a sixth form college argument.

    Labour need the very best they can get, so to underestimate Boris Johnson by electing some of the names mentioned would be no good.

    Ed Balls would a ton better than any name in the current running.

    The public know him from the dancing and as I say...he is the type of person who the public could/would endear to.
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    I think Labour need a leader with a good knowledge of the law as Johnson will want to flaunt the law at every opportunity [eg page 48 of their manifesto]. He'll also be loud and funny and needs someone quite calm and matter of fact to counter that. imo Keir Starmer fits the bill but Labour won't choose him because they seem dead set on Long Bailey who has the charisma of a muddy puddle. Also my SIL is a dead ringer for Starmer and would do very well as a looky likey. My family will be better off under this Conservative government because Labours increased tax/council tax increase for second homes would have cost them dear [my partner has a holiday home]. However we all voted against the Conservatives because we have a social conscience. The crazy thing is, we're making up food parcels for the local food banks and I'm pretty sure a lot of the people needing them will have voted Tory. It's a funny old world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marb View Post
    Aye. But I don't think any of the current crop have what it takes I am afraid to say, and that includes the well touted Keir Starmer.

    I am slightly perplexed as to why it seems like I am the only person who thinks this.
    On the contrary, many would agree I reckon. Starmer is by some way the best of the current bunch, which is hardly a ringing endorsement and I'd keep him in the cabinet as Shadow Justice Secretary which is his background after all; and the new government's likely parading of big, tough, hard, bull-in-a-china-shop Laura Norder will require forensic scrutiny. Not Starmer as leader though: the metropolitan ardent remainer is cyanide in the old 'heartlands' now, whereas it has only been noxious over the last decade

    My choice for leader would be Lisa Nandy who seems aware, sensible, erudite, calm, collected and Northern. For those concerned with such things she also ticks the diversity box, being of mixed race. Backbenchers I'd like to see as contenders are Dan Jarvis and Wes Streeting

    Whatever happens, the entire front bench need putting out to pasture, with the exception of Starmer, possibly the transport bloke McDonald and, grudgingly, Long-Bailey

    Rother Valley - the Battle of Orgreave and all that - gone Tory. Who'd have dreamt that

    Labour are an utter disgrace should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves

    Edit: I see "transport bloke McDonald" is having a go at the BBC, so kick him into touch too...pathetic
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    If they continue with a pro eu rejoin agenda they're won't get anywhere.

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    I never understood quite how Corbyn was elected Leader and whilst I acknowledge that McDonnell is both articulate and very clever, he reminds of the cartoon snake in Disney's Jungle Book. Their prominence in the Party was a reaction to the failure of Blair/Brown to seize the opportunity to create a strong Centrist party.

    That said Corbyn's paymasters, the unions, always seem to resist following the more worker friendly actions of their European counterparts, perhaps to enable them to negotiate better terms for potential employers from overseas. Certainly was the case when the Japanese car firms came here. That meant that Corbyn was unable to come down on one side or tother.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drone View Post
    On the contrary, many would agree I reckon. Starmer is by some way the best of the current bunch, which is hardly a ringing endorsement and I'd keep him in the cabinet as Shadow Justice Secretary which is his background after all; and the new government's likely parading of big, tough, hard, bull-in-a-china-shop Laura Norder will require forensic scrutiny. Not Starmer as leader though: the metropolitan ardent remainer is cyanide in the old 'heartlands' now, whereas it has only been noxious over the last decade

    My choice for leader would be Lisa Nandy who seems aware, sensible, erudite, calm, collected and Northern. For those concerned with such things she also ticks the diversity box, being of mixed race. Backbenchers I'd like to see as contenders are Dan Jarvis and Wes Streeting

    Whatever happens, the entire front bench need putting out to pasture, with the exception of Starmer, possibly the transport bloke McDonald and, grudgingly, Long-Bailey

    Rother Valley - the Battle of Orgreave and all that - gone Tory. Who'd have dreamt that

    Labour are an utter disgrace should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves

    Edit: I see "transport bloke McDonald" is having a go at the BBC, so kick him into touch too...pathetic
    I hear you, Drone.

    Sadly the two dirtiest words in British politics for a while now seem to be a) Socialist and b) Labour.

    Therefore, the first thing I would do, (call it thinking outide the box), is change the name of the party to make it more marketable at future elections.

    That's not to abandon the good political heritage of the Labour Party, but I really would consider calling it something like the 'New Democratic' party which would reflect what I think a large proportion of the electorate would appreciate an oppostion party to be.

    I actually briefly joined the Conservative Party in about 2008 as an experiment. I am as Labour as they come insofar as far as coming from a single parent background, working class, state secondary school etc.

    I could have been part of the Tory project myself but living up north and seeing the effects of the cuts, I wouldn't have been able to stomach cheerleading more and more years of Conservative government.

    The real 'momentum', for various reasons, has been with the Conservative Party for a number of years, partly due to what Tout rightly aluded to, (in terms of Blair and Brown not solidifying the centre ground in time for Cameron and the Conservative Party to mop it up).

    Nigel Farage has done a lot of damage aswell.

    Afterall, we would still be in the E.U if it wasn't for him.

    I said in a previous post - that both new and old Labour...Blairite and Corbynistas', have their high and low points. It isn't an either/or situation. An almagamation between the two is where Labour needs to be.

    Changing the name to the New Democratic Party could help in terms of the vital branding battle that the Tories are so successful at.

    The very word Labour just conjurs up the wrong feeling in the very people that the party needs to vote for them these days. I think this is terminal.
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    I`ve mentioned before that, in my view, the calibre of our current politicians is far, far lower than anything I can remember. Probably epitomised by a fraud and serial liar now being our Prime Minister. How we raise the standard of our M P`s I just don`t know. What decent and principled person would want to enter this cesspool of liars where abuse and vile threats is par for the course. We`re doomed I tell ya!!

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    It says it all that when my daughter, who left teaching recently after many years of working in pretty rough comprehensive schools due to the lack of funding/increasing size of classes etc, became politically active recently due to Brexit and the Conservatives, my first thought was 'will she be safe'.

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    'old labour' were not pro eu internationalists and with no whiff of terrorist apologist either.

    I'm from Piddocks ex constituency, what happened there and in Bishop Auckland, Sedgefield and Darlington has been on the cards for sometime. Labour changed, the views of the people there did not and they gradually shifted away. With Corbyn and his London centric middle class socialists running the show the change became ever more marked and accelerated Labour's loss of support.

    If Lab think traditional working class areas like that need to be brow beaten into changing their minds on the eu, mass immigration and various other things to then fall in line and vote how they're 'supposed to' then they've learned nothing and will stay in the wilderness lol.
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    I watched a vid where some of the momentum brown shirts were having a wee tanty around parliament area on Fri and hopefully got a bit of truncheon justice.
    But listening to a couple of them talk, one guy with all his makeup on and a girl talking about the working claRRss, they’re same sort of snotty London/home counties socialist worker types that didn’t mix with us locals nor dare go drinking in places like the bigg market when I was student up there many moons ago.
    Then they were seen as joke but if that lot are now indicative of labour activist supporters then lab will continue on destination fkd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pawras View Post
    I watched a vid where some of the momentum brown shirts were having a wee tanty around parliament area on Fri and hopefully got a bit of truncheon justice.
    But listening to a couple of them talk, one guy with all his makeup on and a girl talking about the working claRRss, they’re same sort of snotty London/home counties socialist worker types that didn’t mix with us locals nor dare go drinking in places like the bigg market when I was student up there many moons ago.
    Then they were seen as joke but if that lot are now indicative of labour activist supporters then lab will continue on destination fkd.
    You can be pro working class without being against middle class professionals though.

    Class struggles have always been there...when things are at there least toxic the middle or upper class are supposed to be helping poorer people including ethnic minorities and the disadvantaged members of society (clearly many white people fall into the latter) through various different means....there is nothing wrong with that.

    A lot of middle class people generally felt the best way to do this was to work within the Labour party or the 'left' as the Tories were the antithesis to helping poorer people.

    The narrative has changed now.

    Camerons compassionate conservatism (lol)

    The rise of the far right

    The left imploding upon itself

    Take your pick...
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    Well if the go for Bailey/Corbyn without the beard then they've learned nothing and we'll see who they put forward for 2029.

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    A British man dies after a prolonged illness. His soul arrives in heaven and is met by St. Peter who looks like Jeremy Corbyn at the entrance. "Welcome to Heaven," says St. Peter. "Before you settle in, it seems there is a problem. You see, we're never sure where any new soul truly belongs; should it be Heaven or should it be Hell."

    "No problem, just let me in to Heaven," says the man.

    "Well, I'd like to but I have orders from higher up. What we'll do is have you spend one day in Hell and one in Heaven. Then you can choose where to spend eternity."

    "Really, I've made up my mind. I want to be in Heaven."

    "I'm sorry but we have our rules, it doesn't work like that" replies St. Peter. And with that, St. Peter escorts him to the elevator and he goes down, down, down to Hell.

    The doors open and he finds himself in the middle of a green golf course. Nearby are all his friends and many other British people who had worked with him. Everyone is in evening attire and very happy to see him. They run to greet him, hug him and reminisce about the good times they had whilst being alive in Britain. They play a friendly game of golf and then dine on lobster and caviar.

    Also present is the devil who looks like Boris Johnson who really is very friendly and who has a good time dancing and telling jokes. They are having such a good time that the time flies, before he realises it, the twenty-four hours have gone and the man has to leave. Everyone gives him a big hug and waves while the elevator rises. The elevator goes up, up, up and the door re-opens in Heaven where St. Peter is waiting for him.

    "Now it's time to visit Heaven." The next day passes with the man joining a group of contented souls moving from cloud to cloud, playing the harp and singing. They all seem to be having a good time and, again before he realises it, the twenty-four hours have gone by and St. Peter returns.

    "Well then, you've spent a day in Hell and another in Heaven. Now choose your eternity."

    The man reflects for a minute, then answers, "Well, I never thought for a second that I would have said this, I mean Heaven has been delightful, but I think I would be better off in Hell."

    So St. Peter escorts him to the elevator and he goes down, down, down to Hell.

    Now the doors of the elevator open and he is in the middle of a barren land covered with waste and garbage. He sees all his friends and colleagues, dressed in rags, picking up the trash and putting it in black bags. The Devil comes over to him and lays his arm on his neck.

    "I don't understand," stammers the man. "Yesterday I was here and there was a golf course and a beautiful club and we ate lobster and caviar, you told jokes and we danced and had a great time. Now there is only a wasteland full of garbage and my friends all look miserable.”

    "The Devil looks at him, smiles and says, "Here's the thing ~ yesterday we were campaigning. Today you voted!"
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    Is that you, Merlin?

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    "And still they gazed and still the wonder grew. That one small head could carry all he knew.

    And that small head knew that Impaire Et Passe would win the Champion Hurdle."

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    Quote Originally Posted by pawras View Post
    He'd be **** at that too.

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