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    Chester Cup and a good outsider at a huge price anti-post

    I will post my thoughts up soon. Feel free to post your own ideas before then though.
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    Final declarations should be tomorrow. Will post my selection up, (upon it being declared and making the cut).
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    I am guessing the mystery horse is Master Archer?
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    I wish they would not muck around with prestige meetings Chester Cup in the Friday - Vase and Oaks on the same day .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ardross View Post
    I wish they would not muck around with prestige meetings Chester Cup in the Friday - Vase and Oaks on the same day .
    Same here. I've lost track of these things but when did they change the Cup away from the Wednesday?

    I was disappointed on Monday when I couldn't find the race on the Wednesday card. It also end-loads my studying to the latter part of the week instead of spreading it more thinly. At least the 48h decs are a huge help.
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    She needs to be supplemented but if she is I reckon we've just seen Frankel's first English Classic winner. Taken Hills 8/1 (part of it boosted to c. 8.7/1)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marble View Post
    I will post my thoughts up soon. Feel free to post your own ideas before then though.
    Fun mac must have a decent chance.16/1

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    Sir Dragonet is a VERY strong Derby contender. This is a serious quality horse. So green early on, great ride by Donnacha too.
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    Without knowing any of the figures, it occurred to me in the early stages that they must be going fast, with Moore and O'Brien seemingly happy to keep their horses well back. SD was ultimately visually impressive but the race appeared to be falling apart from some way out. Still, SD has fairly gubbed Norway. Then again, that one was sweating like a galley slave.
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    Agree, much more keen on the filly for the Oaks.

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    Well here’s why I like him. He was green no actually make that clueless early and Donnacha just sat so quiet, not hassling him in any way. He let the horse learn. Chester is a hard track for an inexperienced horse which is why AOB favours it as they have to learn on the job and it’s a great prep for Epsom. When he asked him, you could see the penny start to drop. It doesn’t matter that the race fell away, it’s the way the horse as an individual performed. He will come on SO much for that run. And physically he is a stunning horse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jinnyj View Post
    Well here’s why I like him. He was green no actually make that clueless early and Donnacha just sat so quiet, not hassling him in any way. He let the horse learn. Chester is a hard track for an inexperienced horse which is why AOB favours it as they have to learn on the job and it’s a great prep for Epsom. When he asked him, you could see the penny start to drop. It doesn’t matter that the race fell away, it’s the way the horse as an individual performed. He will come on SO much for that run. And physically he is a stunning horse.
    Not disagreeing with that. I rely on people like you for gauging physical qualities and other stuff I can't see for myself with my untrained eye but it just looked like a nice winner of a bad race. I'll be happy if he goes on to run well at Epsom.
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    As I've mentioned before I listen to W Hill racing radio most days and Ken Pitterson was raving about how amazing Sir Dragonet looked before the race, so it was fascinating then watching the race unfold on the telly. Can't wait to see how this horse progresses throughout the season. Wish his name didn't make me think of a Monty Python sketch, though....

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    Back to the topic...

    3.35 SPORTPESA CHESTER CUP HANDICAP (Class 2) £92,385 17 run 2m2f140y Good To Soft ITV4 (STALLS Outside)
    No. Draw Form Horse Stats Age Wt Trainer Jockey OR MON
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    Notes RPR
    16 4 30400- Fun Mac t 8 8-7 Hughie Morrison Charlie Bennett 93 130 e d? 127
    3 5 2223-1 Austrian School C 4 9-4
    3ex
    Mark Johnston Joe Fanning 105 127 p 123
    6 1 9613-3 Cleonte 6 9-1 Andrew Balding Silvestre De Sousa 101 126 p +? 121
    17 3 300-95 Mirsaale p 9 8-6 Keith Dalgleish James Sullivan 92 126 d? 119
    14 14 -21442 Lucky Deal 4 8-9 Mark Johnston J F Egan 96 124 p +? 122
    4 11 47588- Montaly CD 8 9-3 Andrew Balding Graham Lee 103 123 127? e
    [131]
    114
    5 7 /5609- Whiskey Sour 6 9-2 W P Mullins Andrea Atzeni 102 123 p 117
    10 6 356-66 Speedo Boy 5 8-12 Ian Williams James Doyle 98 123 + 119
    15 15 -13213 Busy Street 7 8-9 Michael Appleby Alistair Rawlinson 95 123 p? 118
    7 12 10/3-3 Who Dares Wins p C 7 9-0 Alan King Tom Marquand 100 122 p +? 119
    9 16 003-51 Making Miracles 4 9-0
    3ex
    Mark Johnston Franny Norton 101 122 +? p? 120
    11 9 3/541- Shabeeb 6 8-12 Ian Williams Paul Hanagan 98 122 p y 118
    1 8 0/110- Magic Circle CD 7 10-2 Ian Williams Cieren Fallon 7 116 119 p 116
    12 13 4009-8 Time To Study 5 8-11 Ian Williams Richard Kingscote 97 118 o
    135edy
    128
    2 17 1/161- Low Sun p 6 9-6 W P Mullins Ryan Moore 106 117 +? 116
    8 2 117P-5 Cliffs Of Dooneen 4 9-0 Ralph Beckett Harry Bentley 101 117 AK
    (120y)
    117
    13 10 14-321 Watersmeet 8 8-10
    3ex
    Mark Johnston P J McDonald 96 ? 116

    Fun Mac is entitled to go well on his best form – which has been first time up in this race in the last two seasons – but I was hoping for closer to 33/1 than 10/1. He could run his race and still find Austrian School and Cleonte laughing at him. These two against the field are the safe play. Austrian School looked a Group horse in a handicap at Musselburgh and is 5lbs well in under his small penalty. However, the trainer said he was more of an Ebor horse rather than a Northumberland Plate one so maybe this is stage one of the plan to get his mark back down. Cleonte is seen as a Melbourne Cup horse so he’ll need to go up the handicap a bit. He’s 4lbs well in after a career best last time, and that might just have been a prep for this. I’m going to risk backing him and leaving Austrian School alone.
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    Pretty much identical to me DO.

    With great reluctance I have left Austrian School alone and plumped for Cleonte, mainly on the basis that, while you want a horse in a handy position it's not an easy race to try and make all in (which are likely tactics for Austrian School) and I'm hopeful that SDS will have Cleonte a bit handier than usual from his favourable draw and get a tow into the straight from the jolly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by an capall View Post
    I am guessing the mystery horse is Master Archer?
    Sorry for late reply. Original fancy not declared. Horse was called Markhan for Gordon Elliots yard, I reckon he's one to watch this season when he runs. Whiskey Sour gets my vote for today.
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    Gone for the ex Giggi one ,Cliffs of Dooneen - Beckett knocking in a few winners lately but both Beckett and Bentley red hot at this festival

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    That was a very unsatisfactory race (unless you backed the winner) decided by jockeyship. The front two, both drawn wide, got to the front early and had it to themselves all the way to the final furlong. The heavy rain didn't help many.
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    It was a horrible race to watch and not because I lost money.
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