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    Nicky's went close in nearly all the handicaps, as per. Never discount them regardless of what the form looks like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maruco View Post
    That's interesting. I did Janika yesterday out of curiosity to see how I thought he would have fared in the Ryanair and I had him finishing fourth just behind Road To Respect, ahead of Monalee and Un Des Sceux. Nicky must have thought he was a good thing off top weight in the Plate.
    I did too and thought the weight swing from trials day would be enough. I thought at the time he looked a bit reluctant to go past the winner and wasn’t inclined to change my mind having viewed the replay. Just my opinion though and it may well be Siruh du Lac had more left and would have held him off anyway.

    Kalondra ran an eye catching race but was held up too far imo and would probably have struggled to reach the leaders. Just hope the horse is OK


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    Quote Originally Posted by archie View Post
    New Irish ratings:
    175 Al Boum Photo
    170 Anibale Fly
    160 A Plus Tard
    159 Delta Work

    169 Espoir D'Allen
    156 Klassical Dream
    Some others

    Band Of Outlaws +11 (145)

    Canardier +3 (140)

    City Island +9 (152)

    Commander of Fleet +5 (149)

    Dallas des Pictons +7 (144)

    Duc des Genievres * NEW * 163

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    That Duc Des Genievres mark above is 2lb higher than the one that was given to Douvan

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maruco View Post
    Delta Work will win a valuable handicap next season off 159 if they choose to wait.

    He is in the Irish nash
    Some people say he’s the best since Arkle and that’s certainly true when you look at what he’s done

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    Interesting. Thanks PJ. I wonder whether he wants the extra trip though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maruco View Post
    Interesting. Thanks PJ. I wonder whether he wants the extra trip though.

    Our Duke won it off 153 pretty easily

    I'm also not certain he'd relish the extra trip
    Some people say he’s the best since Arkle and that’s certainly true when you look at what he’s done

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    You'd think of the novices Discorama or perhaps Any Second Now more likely. On reflection I'd be slightly surprised if Gordon ran Delta Work.

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    Easter is very late this year. Over 5 weeks from Cheltenham to Fairyhouse so it shouldn't be an issue. The complication will be for horses having to choose between Fairyhouse and Punchestown.
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    Handicappers blog post Cheltenham

    https://www.britishhorseracing.com/f...icappers-blog/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maruco View Post
    You'd think of the novices Discorama or perhaps Any Second Now more likely. On reflection I'd be slightly surprised if Gordon ran Delta Work.

    I would too. He has enough ammo without running his best staying novice

    Is a Punch race for him
    Some people say he’s the best since Arkle and that’s certainly true when you look at what he’s done

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maruco View Post
    A graded horse in a handicap. He had plenty left too. He's a good bet for next seasons Ryanair.
    Declan Rix with a different perspective.
    https://www.attheraces.com/blogs/declan-rix
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    Alternative views are always good for the debate but I'd want to ask:

    Who is Declan Rix and what are his qualifications for taking the handicapper to task like that?

    Is he related to the notorious 'tipster' Henry Rix?

    I have to say, I didn't mind considering his arguments until his final question about the earlier form with Winter Escape. For me, that question alone rendered everything that went before it to be meaningless, even the bits I agreed with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Desert Orchid View Post
    Alternative views are always good for the debate but I'd want to ask:

    Who is Declan Rix and what are his qualifications for taking the handicapper to task like that?

    Is he related to the notorious 'tipster' Henry Rix?

    I have to say, I didn't mind considering his arguments until his final question about the earlier form with Winter Escape. For me, that question alone rendered everything that went before it to be meaningless, even the bits I agreed with.
    He is Irish, younger generation, happy to play the clown on the Final Furlong Podcast
    Some people say he’s the best since Arkle and that’s certainly true when you look at what he’s done

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    Quote Originally Posted by Desert Orchid View Post
    Alternative views are always good for the debate but I'd want to ask:

    Who is Declan Rix and what are his qualifications for taking the handicapper to task like that?

    Is he related to the notorious 'tipster' Henry Rix?

    I have to say, I didn't mind considering his arguments until his final question about the earlier form with Winter Escape. For me, that question alone rendered everything that went before it to be meaningless, even the bits I agreed with.
    Only know him from the final furlong podcast, where he adds little but poor attempts at humour

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    Why should it matter who he is if he's putting up a considered argument?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Desert Orchid View Post
    Alternative views are always good for the debate but I'd want to ask:

    Who is Declan Rix and what are his qualifications for taking the handicapper to task like that?

    Is he related to the notorious 'tipster' Henry Rix?

    I have to say, I didn't mind considering his arguments until his final question about the earlier form with Winter Escape. For me, that question alone rendered everything that went before it to be meaningless, even the bits I agreed with.
    Yes the whole weight-for-age system seems to gone over young Declan's head with reference to Winter Escape, never mind the race being run on good ground.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grey View Post
    Why should it matter who he is if he's putting up a considered argument?
    He's getting a 'spot', if I can call it that, on a bona fide racing blog so he should have at least an element of gravitas in terms of authority. Has he been a trainee handicapper, assistant trainer, trainer's secretary etc, or is he just a chancer?

    I was happy, as I said, to read through what he had to say until I found his arguments starting to unravel as nothing other than betting-shop piffle. And the Winter Escape remark was the clincher. Only someone who is clueless about handicapping could have written that.

    People offered blog spots on sites like ATR should know what they're talking about. People like Simon Rowlands aren't always right but their arguments are usually what I would call 'considered'.
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    The 'ball' I'm playing is the notion of people without appropriate knowledge/experience being allowed a position of potential influence.
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