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    Even tighter at the top:

    GUTAIFAN 30
    NIGHT OF THUNDER £)
    CABLE BAY 29
    DUE DILIGENCE 27
    Ah! but a man's reach should exceed his grasp......

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    Some misses, but included in Colin's table

    Saturday Newmarket:
    Global Storm (Night of Thunder) for Appleby
    Kenzai Warrior (Karakontjie) for Teal (Gp3 win) I'm sure this is a FSS and if it is I missed its debut win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eleanora Duse View Post
    Despite Cable Bay's relative success as a FSS there appears to be a problem. He achieved only 65% returns on his 2019 foals and covered very few mares in 2019 with many of them barren and sent to other sires.
    Despite the above, Cable Bay's fee has been increased from £5,000 to £15,000. Apparently He had a large 2nd crop and hopefully his mating book will be bigger for his 5th crop.

    No Nay Never is up again to €150,000 from €100,000 from €25,000. Now the 2nd highest priced Coolmore sire. Is it justified? Please discuss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eleanora Duse View Post
    Despite the above, Cable Bay's fee has been increased from £5,000 to £15,000. Apparently He had a large 2nd crop and hopefully his mating book will be bigger for his 5th crop.

    No Nay Never is up again to €150,000 from €100,000 from €25,000. Now the 2nd highest priced Coolmore sire. Is it justified? Please discuss.
    I don't follow the stallion charts to have an opinion on no nay never - is he getting his fair share of group winners?

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    NO NAY NEVER - Group winners

    2018 - 2
    2019 - 7
    Ah! but a man's reach should exceed his grasp......

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    So not knocking them in to the extent you'd expect at that price. But if folk are willing to pay it......

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    Dundalk so Suave (Make Believe) for Murtagh
    Nottingham: Mishriff (Make Believe) for Gosden

    Make Believe has done well with very little fuss. When he had his first winner people had already forgotten him (he was from Makfi's first crop and won the French 2000G). Covered 70 in 2018 and 75 in 2019. Will probably cover as many, if not more, next year.

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    Southwell: Ventura Destiny (Outstrip) for Dalgleish
    Chelmsford: Silver Machine (Brazen Beau) for Watson

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    The sands of time are running out and today Gutaifan has no runners while Cable Bay has two

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colin Phillips View Post
    NO NAY NEVER - Group winners

    2018 - 2
    2019 - 7
    7 isn’t a bad figure but I’ll take a look over the next few days to see who is paying the €100,000 fee for this sire. Coolmore own him and are makers of sires, but you could take a view they are doing a bit of a ‘job’ on making this one.
    The big hitters so far for the sire have been Ten Sovereigns and Arizona: both Coolmore. A successful non-Sadler’s Wells line sire is a necessity for Coolmore’s own-bred mares of that there's little doubt. The quality of those mares is unquestionable and it will be a great aid to establishing No Nay Never. If you haven't quite got that quality is No Nay Never your best option?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colin Phillips View Post
    Even tighter at the top:

    GUTAIFAN 30
    NIGHT OF THUNDER £)
    CABLE BAY 29
    DUE DILIGENCE 27
    Colin
    Is it a dead heat or did Gutaifan last home?

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    Dead-heat, ED.

    Table below:


    Runs Wins Strike Rate % % Return @SP % Return at Betfair SP 5% com







    GUTAIFAN
    290
    30
    10.3
    78.2
    91.7

    NIGHT OF THUNDER
    121
    30
    24.8
    148.1
    188.5

    CABLE BAY
    212
    29
    13.7
    88.9
    128.6

    DUE DILIGENCE
    156
    27
    17.3
    129.2
    146.8

    GLENEAGLES
    106
    21
    19.8
    117.1
    135.7

    ANJAAL
    173
    15
    8.7
    82.8
    146.1

    MAKE BELIEVE
    117
    14
    12.0
    65.4
    74.9

    OUTSTRIP
    122
    13
    10.7
    97.9
    123.0

    BRAZEN BEAU
    129
    13
    10.1
    52.7
    55.0

    FREE EAGLE
    87
    11
    12.6
    39.5
    40.2

    IVAWOOD
    171
    12
    7.0
    55.6
    56.9

    MUHAARAR
    99
    11
    11.1
    42.3
    48.4










    Numbers gleaned from Adrian Massey's excellent FREE site, any mistakes will have been mine.
    Last edited by Colin Phillips; 14th November 2019 at 10:09 AM.
    Ah! but a man's reach should exceed his grasp......

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    Night Of Thunder, the one on the table with the best strike rate, is by Dubawi out of a Galileo mare, the two best sires around. The breeding game is simple, isn't it?

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    Kingman goes up to £150,000.

    Night of Thunder goes up to £25,000 from £15,000 (like the look of his Pocket Square).

    Too Darn Hot starts at £50,000

    Cable Bay up to £15,000.

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    NIGHT OF THUNDER looks the value there.
    Ah! but a man's reach should exceed his grasp......

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    I wonder if the going had an effect on the results
    was a pretty wet Summer if memory serves me right.?
    and NOT liked to get his toe in

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    https://theownerbreeder.com/sire-lis...er=DESC&page=1

    Night Of Thunder well clear Europe-wide too.

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    NIGHT OF THUNDER's babies by going:

    Heavy runs 9 wins 3 33.3% return% 155.6
    Soft 16 - 2 - 12.5 - 108.6
    Good to Soft 15 - 7 - 46.7 - 423.7 (2 x 25/1)
    Good 28 - 5 - 17.9 - 133.9
    Good to Firm 38 - 11 - 28.9 - 83.7
    Firm - no runners

    Decent returns on most goings. Almost always anomalies in the going stats due to small sample size.
    Ah! but a man's reach should exceed his grasp......

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    according to arion pedigrees, night of thunder has never been level on wins with gutaifan this season GB wins only

    current standings gutaifan 32 GB wins / cable bay 28 / night of thunder 27 / due diligence 26

    as your table shows night of thunder was the most profitable and best overall , hopefully gutaifan still gets the FSS 2019 champion accolade

    thanks colin and all contributors to the thread

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    Thanks, ulleyseys.

    Have a look at Great Britain & Ireland. This is the table the bookies offer odds on.
    Ah! but a man's reach should exceed his grasp......

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