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    Theinval is being "readied" for something this season I'm pretty sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamond Geezer View Post
    Theinval is being "readied" for something this season I'm pretty sure.
    Agreed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamond Geezer View Post
    Theinval is being "readied" for something this season I'm pretty sure.
    Indeed. I've had it among my top-rated every run this season but Hendo said something earlier about it being very much a good-ground spring horse so I reckon two wins in two or three days at Ayr in April might be part of the plan but wouldn't rule out a good run at either Cheltenham or Aintree en route if conditions allow.
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    the Johnny (Henderson) Walker memorial cup, think its the last race at Cheltenham.
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    Failed to win the GA off 141 the last twice although creditable placed efforts. Hard to see it doing better off 146 so, as DO says, that race is likely just a warm-up for Aintree and Ayr.
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    I agree Archie but in fairness to the horse, the ground went against him last year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wilsonl View Post
    I agree Archie but in fairness to the horse, the ground went against him last year.
    He also met a fair bit of trouble in running.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Desert Orchid View Post
    I've just watched the Lanzarote through again and one caught my eye as a serious notoffski, in my opinion.

    Doux Pretender reminded me of a Henderson horse I backed two or three, maybe even four, years back in a good handicap at a top right-handed track, either Ascot, Kempton or Sandown but my mind's eye is telling me Ascot. I can't recall the horse's name but it went on to win a big 'un. It had travelled supremely well through the race, nipped through on the inside approaching the home turn and then was put into reverse gear by the jockey. The ride Doux Pretender got yesterday reminded me of that, other than that he made his move on the outside. But as soon as he got on the heels of the pack you could almost hear the crunching of the gearbox as the jockey - in my opinion - crashed into reverse and eased the horse down.
    It wasn't Call The Cops was it Maurice?

    I remember him running in a Pertemps qualifier at Kempton and getting a particularly suspect ride form Gerraghty. Finished fourth after finding reverse gear two out. He later ran in the Coral Cup rather than the Pertemps Final because his handicap mark was far too good to waste. Pissed up as I recall. I think that Coral Cup was where you got your rating for the Tourard Man as well.

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    Call The Cops won the Pertemps.

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    Call the Cops won the Pertemps Paul.

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    So it did. Age, memory, etc..................... Thanks fellas.

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    It might have been Call The Cops although that Kampton race doesn't appear to have been a Saturday so I'd need to have accessed the video online, and that doesn't sound like me. I'll see if I can find the video, that way I'll know as soon as I see it.

    I'm pretty sure Verdana Blue is too recent for it to have been her.

    (Just shows how many Hendo does it with...)

    I did have a saver on The Tourard Man that day but only at 28/1. I also backed him in 2017 at 66/1(6 places) when he managed a place.
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    Doux Pretender hangs left in all his races.

    De Boinville started him on the inside in the Lanzarote but his jumping was so pronounced down the back straight that he ended up on the outside turning in and was intractable.

    The same happened in Ascot when he won under Noel Fehily, but that was on softer ground and he had a rail to run against.

    A risky proposition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Desert Orchid View Post

    I'm pretty sure Verdana Blue is too recent for it to have been her.
    My immediate thought was Verdana Blue also. I blamed Jerry McGrath at the time but that seems harsh as probably riding to orders


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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamond Geezer View Post
    Theinval is being "readied" for something this season I'm pretty sure.
    Yeah like a spring campaign like he does every year......The Johnny Henderson Grand Annual Chase Then on to Aintree

    Really does anyone on here know what a non trier is?
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    The notion that a non trier is a simple black & white intepretation of a horse's performance in a single race is plain wrong.

    Not every non trier is as blatant as Sean Fox
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tanlic View Post
    Yeah like a spring campaign like he does every year......The Johnny Henderson Grand Annual Chase Then on to Aintree

    Really does anyone on here know what a non trier is?
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    Shameful, DG.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Desert Orchid View Post
    With respect, Marble, that's a very dangerous train of thought. It assumes [Solomon Grey] can match ITCF's improvement. Also, I wouldn't assume he can improve from yesterday. It's a wee bit unusual for a horse to finish second in a top handicap and 'come on' for the run (ie assumes lack of fitness) as opposed to maintaining an upward improvement curve. He'll go up two or three pounds for yesterday but it was the worst renewal of the Lanzarote I can recall, with the top weight off just 134. You get higher rated top-weights in £10k midweek handicaps.

    If SG is one of the best handicapped hurdlers in training on all known form I think I'll pack it in now.
    Solomon Grey has been raised 6lbs for last Saturday.
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    If anybody watched the 1.25 at Kelso I'd welcome views on the ride on Just a Tenner. I had no financial involvement, but it seemed to me that (a) horse was strangled or (b) 3lb claimer is incompetent. Any opinions?

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