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    Question for Kolondra backers. Would it surprise you that it only traded at a low of 7.2 in running at Galway?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlimChance View Post
    Question for Kolondra backers. Would it surprise you that it only traded at a low of 7.2 in running at Galway?
    I'm not familiar with in-running markets but Sub Lt would, I imagine, have been odds-on at the point at which K fell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Desert Orchid View Post
    I'm not familiar with in-running markets but Sub Lt would, I imagine, have been odds-on at the point at which K fell.
    Fair comment. The market has really tightened up on it. Mad that Pricewise still moves the market despite a pathetic strike rate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlimChance View Post
    Fair comment. The market has really tightened up on it. Mad that Pricewise still moves the market despite a pathetic strike rate.
    I reckon it's the bookies suckering punters into believing a gamble is developing. They get the word at 5pm (as the paper goes to press) on what he's putting up. They cut it and punters want to get on before it shortens any further, thus causing, if not a snowball effect exactly, a further contraction for a while.

    The really annoying thing is when the likes of us coincide with PW's selection. We end up not getting the better odds more via bookie manipulation rather than genuine market strength.

    Still, we're all on Kalondra at 11/1 and better, aren't we
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    Quote Originally Posted by Desert Orchid View Post
    I reckon it's the bookies suckering punters into believing a gamble is developing. They get the word at 5pm (as the paper goes to press) on what he's putting up. They cut it and punters want to get on before it shortens any further, thus causing, if not a snowball effect exactly, a further contraction for a while.

    The really annoying thing is when the likes of us coincide with PW's selection. We end up not getting the better odds more via bookie manipulation rather than genuine market strength.

    Still, we're all on Kalondra at 11/1 and better, aren't we
    11/1? We're all on at 100/8

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamond Geezer View Post
    Hold fire on any Benatar bets until you've seen the declarations later, waiting for test results this morning on a lung problem apparently.
    Benatar a non runner !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamond Geezer View Post
    Benatar a non runner !
    Good to know they weren't putting people away. Shame for those who fancied Benatar.

    And a question mark over Baron Alco's well-being?
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    Did Benatar not shorten dramatically yesterday? Last I looked was 13/2...More suspect practices from the rotten bookmaking industry???

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    Quote Originally Posted by trefflich View Post
    Did Benatar not shorten dramatically yesterday? Last I looked was 13/2...More suspect practices from the rotten bookmaking industry???
    Maybe not 'dramatically' but it did go blue across the board. I mentioned it on here just after DG posted his warning about its health.

    I'm not convinced it's down to suspect practices, though. Few people distrust bookies more than I do but usually when there's a doubt the odds, especially at Betfair, tend to lengthen. The practice of shortening up prices tends to take place where, say, something gets loose or appears lame at the start and is being checked by the vet. I don't think R4 would have been in play at the time DG's message came through yesterday and it wouldn't affect ante-post bets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Desert Orchid View Post
    I reckon it's the bookies suckering punters into believing a gamble is developing. They get the word at 5pm (as the paper goes to press) on what he's putting up. They cut it and punters want to get on before it shortens any further, thus causing, if not a snowball effect exactly, a further contraction for a while.

    The really annoying thing is when the likes of us coincide with PW's selection. We end up not getting the better odds more via bookie manipulation rather than genuine market strength.

    Still, we're all on Kalondra at 11/1 and better, aren't we
    Kolondra didn't tighten up on the machine until around 8pm when the ipad version goes live.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Desert Orchid View Post
    Maybe not 'dramatically' but it did go blue across the board. I mentioned it on here just after DG posted his warning about its health.

    I'm not convinced it's down to suspect practices, though. Few people distrust bookies more than I do but usually when there's a doubt the odds, especially at Betfair, tend to lengthen. The practice of shortening up prices tends to take place where, say, something gets loose or appears lame at the start and is being checked by the vet. I don't think R4 would have been in play at the time DG's message came through yesterday and it wouldn't affect ante-post bets.
    There will have been a lot of bets affected by the rule 4. It's more annoying than anything cynical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlimChance View Post
    There will have been a lot of bets affected by the rule 4. It's more annoying than anything cynical.
    Will rule 4 come in if I've backed the horse prior to yesterday?

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    Decs were midday on Thursday. All bets after that are subject to a rule 4.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlimChance View Post
    Decs were midday on Thursday. All bets after that are subject to a rule 4.

    Are you sure about that, Slim?

    I'm pretty sure I was told (when I made a similar enquiry a couple of years ago) that it's ante-post rules until something like 4pm the day before, even with 48h decs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Desert Orchid View Post
    Are you sure about that, Slim?

    I'm pretty sure I was told (when I made a similar enquiry a couple of years ago) that it's ante-post rules until something like 4pm the day before, even with 48h decs.
    Certain.

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    The 1:50 was a great race to watch. My fancy Royal Vacation has run a huge race, which probably would have been enough to win 9/10 renewals. Coneygree back in third, with a back-to-form winner in the shape of Rock The Kasbah.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marble View Post
    The 1:50 was a great race to watch. My fancy Royal Vacation has run a huge race, which probably would have been enough to win 9/10 renewals of the same race. Coneygree back in third, with a back-to-form winner in the shape of Rock The Kasbah.
    Stuck in work so can't watch the racing. very surprised to see Cogry not even place.
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    Cracking performance from Baron Alco. Frodon is an unbelievably tough horse, run an absolute stormer.

    Hope all the horses are safe and sound, very messy race.

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