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    The Coo Star Sivola race looks better in the light of his win at the festival. My rating for the earlier race was made via Jamieson's OR but I had him higher than that; I just chose to ignore the higher rating at the time.

    I then carried Kalondra's rating through to his run at Cheltenham in April in the race won by Traffic Fluide but I now want to uprate that form in the light of what Traffic Fluide and Kalondra have since done. As an aside, I will be all over Art Of Payroll like a rash when he eventually reappears.

    Kalondra, though, appeared to take his form to a new level at Galway so I'm inclined to interpret his other form as steps en route.

    As for the size of field, there were sixteen runners in the Traffic Fluide race and he tanked all the way through it. I actually think the bigger field and faster pace will play into his hands. I can see him coming there pulling double turning for home on Saturday. My slight doubt is whether he'll truly get up the hill as he appeared either not to do so in April or maybe he thought he'd done enough once he went clear. I imagine, though, that Fehily will delay his challenge as long as possible, possibly until approaching the last.

    I can't agree with you about Galway. Everything except him was off the bit two out and most had been for a couple of fences before that. When you consider what he did at Cheltenham in April from two out to after the last, a repetition of that burst would have taken him past Sub Lieutenant, I reckon. I think he was being ridden for that burst.

    Kalondra was an unexposed 147 [OR] hurdler, potentially better by some way so I'm not too worried about a comparison with Rather Be (which I respect, especially as he's entitled to find about 10lbs this season as well).

    We'll know a lot more either way at about 2.30 on Saturday afternoon.
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    Rather Be, Benatar and King's Socks have the most blue about them this afternoon. I suspect at least one of them is being put up by Kealy and/or Segal in tomorrow's Weekender.
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    I'm not surprised Kings Socks is being backed. There's plenty to like about him. The Pipe factor will also be at play, but David isn't his old man, and he's had more than enough of these french bred handicap good things that have flattered to deceive that makes me want to give them a wide berth.

    I have to admit to liking the Benetar back form and he's on my shortlist of those feasibly handicapped.

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    I backed Kalondra in April and was counting my money 3 out. To me he didn't get up the hill that day off a fast pace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maruco View Post
    I'm not surprised Kings Socks is being backed. There's plenty to like about him. The Pipe factor will also be at play, but David isn't his old man, and he's had more than enough of these french bred handicap good things that have flattered to deceive that makes me want to give them a wide berth.

    I have to admit to liking the Benetar back form and he's on my shortlist of those feasibly handicapped.
    Having had monster prices about him for the Festival, I can assure you there is nothing whatsoever to like about the gutless mutt! Will probably travel like a dream and find precisely nil.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tiggers1972 View Post
    I backed Kalondra in April and was counting my money 3 out. To me he didn't get up the hill that day off a fast pace.
    Mulholland says they made too much use of him that day, and he’ll get a much more patient ride on Saturday, tiggers. Fehily just the man for the job too.
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    Personally reckon Frodon may have got off lightly with just a 3lb rise for winning at Aintree and represents good value at 16/1


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    Quote Originally Posted by viking View Post
    Personally reckon Frodon may have got off lightly with just a 3lb rise for winning at Aintree and represents good value at 16/1


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    Quote Originally Posted by Desert Orchid View Post
    Rather Be, Benatar and King's Socks have the most blue about them this afternoon. I suspect at least one of them is being put up by Kealy and/or Segal in tomorrow's Weekender.
    I'm very pleasantly surprised to be wrong about this.

    Not only does Paul Kealy headline Kalondra but he puts it up as a three-star bet, which is quite rare for him. I remember he put up Altior (around the same time I backed it) with three stars at 8/1 ante-post for the Supreme but I only recall one three-star bet since then - not that I follow that closely as I don't get to read his midweek stuff. Maybe somebody else is more familiar with his record.

    However, for me, it can hardly be a negative.

    I see the best price is now 8/1.

    It isn't too late...
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    A good write up DO and well worth a bet.just bought the week3nder but havent looked at it yet.
    Always good to see Kealey agrees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Outsider View Post
    A good write up DO and well worth a bet.just bought the week3nder but havent looked at it yet.
    Always good to see Kealey agrees.
    Pfft. Pair of them following the Grasshopper in.

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    I've gone in on Kalondra, also doubled it up with Cogry in the handicap chase at 10s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grasshopper View Post
    Pfft. Pair of them following the Grasshopper in.

    In my case there's probably an element of truth in that.

    Kalondra caught my eye a few times as a hurdler but I wouldn't have known he was in this field if you hadn't mentioned him. I didn't really know any of the entries until the other day, bar Frodon which I knew was top weight but that was it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Desert Orchid View Post
    In my case there's probably an element of truth in that.

    Kalondra caught my eye a few times as a hurdler but I wouldn't have known he was in this field if you hadn't mentioned him. I didn't really know any of the entries until the other day, bar Frodon which I knew was top weight but that was it.
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    Kalondra a sea of blue everywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Double J View Post
    Kalondra a sea of blue everywhere.
    I wouldn't be surprised if it went off about 7/2, maybe shorter.
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    Sounds like he could be the next Singlefuckingfarmpayment

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    Sounds like he could be the next Singlefuckingfarmpayment
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    Quote Originally Posted by Euronymous View Post
    Sounds like he could be the next Singlefuckingfarmpayment
    I hopetofuck not!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Desert Orchid View Post
    I hopetofuck not!

    I am very sweet on Mister Whitaker - loves Cheltenham and looked improved on his seasonal reappearance. The fact he was one of the few winners I backed at the Festival also makes me a fan.

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