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    I wouldn't be too sure about that, Maruco.

    Those crafty Irish trainers tend to get something in there off 125 when they know it's really a 150 beast.

    Edit - I was actually thinking of the Fred Winter there. The MP is two and a half miles. I thought ICE looked not to stay at that trip, which might have been part of the plan to keep it under the radar for now.

    In the MP last year Hendo had two runners, both fanciable, in Diese Des Bieffes and Lough Derg Spirit, both on 137. They finished fifth and sixth, best of the UK runners, behind four Irish horses. That's what he's up against.
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    I suspect I Can't Explain is a significantly better horse than those two Maurice, and I'm certain Henderson thinks so.

    I don't doubt that Willie and Gordon are playing the same game though. And Nicholls and Skelton will be doing the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maruco View Post
    I suspect I Can't Explain is a significantly better horse than those two Maurice, and I'm certain Henderson thinks so.

    I don't doubt that Willie and Gordon are playing the same game though. And Nicholls and Skelton will be doing the same.
    Agree 100%, which is why I don't think the handicap route is the best one for ICE - too much competition. In many respects it makes more sense to go for the Supreme.

    If Hendo believes ICE is, say, a 155 horse, ie good enough to win an average Supreme, he'll have a better idea about the relative ability of the opposition for the Supreme than going into a handicap off 10lbs or so lower not knowing what the Irish trainers have been keeping out of sight.

    And the trainers you mention won't be the only ones.
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    Henderson has so many horses to split across the Supreme and the Ballymore that it makes sense for him to have a mid 150's horse in a handicap off 143. I agree that it's not necessarily enough to win a handicap as others are also 'plotting', but if he feels the same horse is possibly marginally his third string for one of the novice races it surely makes sense. Particularly given by default he doesn't believe it will beat either one or two of his own horses.

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    Angels Breath has an entry for the Supreme trial at Musselburgh next Sunday.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kauto Abu View Post
    Angels Breath has an entry for the Supreme trial at Musselburgh next Sunday.
    Didn't Hendo have a couple of hotpots turned over at that meeting last year?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Desert Orchid View Post
    Didn't Hendo have a couple of hotpots turned over at that meeting last year?
    Claimaintakingforgan & Mr Whipped were anyway.


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    Entries not released until Thursday but numerically there are

    Supreme Novices 99 (73 last year)

    Ballymore Novices Hurdle 139 (98 last year)

    Triumph Hurdle 59 (47 last year)

    Albert Bartlett 107 (83 last year)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kauto Abu View Post
    Claimaintakingforgan & Mr Whipped were anyway.
    Yes, I remember 'cos I had them with one or two others in a win multiple and thought I was picking up money beforehand...
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    The first at Leopardstown on Saturday has the makings of a cracker. Battleoverdoyen is out again but I think Dunvegan will give him plenty to think about. Really impressed with seasonal reappearance at Fairyhouse.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kauto Abu View Post
    The first at Leopardstown on Saturday has the makings of a cracker. Battleoverdoyen is out again but I think Dunvegan will give him plenty to think about. Really impressed with seasonal reappearance at Fairyhouse.


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    I'd say the good ground could possibly scare him off
    Some people say he’s the best since Arkle and that’s certainly true when you look at what he’s done

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    Did he not win at Fairyhouse on good?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kauto Abu View Post
    Did he not win at Fairyhouse on good?


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    They didn't run him at Naas owing to the ground from what I remember
    Some people say he’s the best since Arkle and that’s certainly true when you look at what he’s done

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    Heard some good things about Champagne Platinum today. Looking at his 2 runs, easy enough winner but form doesn't look up to much ATM.

    Certainly think Hendo probably has better options but could he have first three home?

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    Novice Hurdlers 2018/2019

    Quote Originally Posted by granger View Post
    They didn't run him at Naas owing to the ground from what I remember
    All systems go according to Fahy last weekend anyway. Was cut from 12s into 6s too from opening betting show.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kauto Abu View Post
    All systems go according to Fahy last weekend anyway. Was cut from 12s into 6s too from opening betting show.


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    Good stuff

    They see him as a chaser but this will test his mettle for sure
    Some people say he’s the best since Arkle and that’s certainly true when you look at what he’s done

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    The Festival Novice Hurdle entries

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kauto Abu View Post
    The first at Leopardstown on Saturday has the makings of a cracker. Battleoverdoyen is out again but I think Dunvegan will give him plenty to think about. Really impressed with seasonal reappearance at Fairyhouse.


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    The 10/1 on Dunvegan looks decent now with Battleoverdoyen out. Very surprised to see him miss out.


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    Dunvegan disappointed didn't he? I was a bit surprised they raced him but hopefully all is ok

    Angels Breath out tomorrow at Huntingdon
    Some people say he’s the best since Arkle and that’s certainly true when you look at what he’s done

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    Novice Hurdlers 2018/2019 (now with Chelt Festival entries)

    Quote Originally Posted by granger View Post
    Dunvegan disappointed didn't he? I was a bit surprised they raced him but hopefully all is ok

    Angels Breath out tomorrow at Huntingdon
    Ya Dunvegan was disappointing. Travelled well to a point but started making mistakes.

    Good to see Angels Breath out again tomorrow. He’ll have to be good now to give weight to Emitom but it’s also good to see him get better ground too. His p2p and hurdle win was on soft or heavy but being by Shantou he should appreciate better ground.

    Hold a few 33/1 & 25/1 Supreme dockets so anxious viewing tomorrow.


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