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    Quote Originally Posted by granger View Post
    Front 2 in the Naas G1 look very good horses

    Battleoverdoyen looks very very green still so a real prospect him
    I know it's so cliche, but will make a better chaser. While he won nicely there, Being cut to 7/1 for Ballymore after that is a typical bookie overreaction.

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    I actually strongly dislike gigi horses for March hurdles races. This guy has a lot of potential but Cheltenham could easily blow his skull. I have him backed at bigger odds so happy to see people join the party
    Some people say he’s the best since Arkle and that’s certainly true when you look at what he’s done

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    Nice to see BOD respond well for pressure too. First time he’d have got a proper crack of the whip. Still green but got it together well.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kauto Abu View Post
    Nice to see BOD respond well for pressure too. First time he’d have got a proper crack of the whip. Still green but got it together well.


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    He attacked one of those hurdles like a good thing
    Some people say he’s the best since Arkle and that’s certainly true when you look at what he’s done

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    Moscow Flyer entries

    https://www.irishracing.com/card?rac...d=201901131450

    Fine roll of honour on that list of previous winners
    Some people say he’s the best since Arkle and that’s certainly true when you look at what he’s done

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    A friend of mine is an equine physio but also specialises in gait & conformation analysis, specifically in analyzing horse strides patterns and he comes up with some really fascinating results. He is fairly impressed with Champs Challow Hurdle performance. Thought some of you might be interested in his findings.




    Champ Manual Stride Analysis G1 Challow Nov Hurdle 20.5f Newb

    Manual Stride Speed Analysis

    Strides/10s *11

    19.92 20.36 20.66 20.83 22.32 22.32 23.04 23.20* 22.32 22.83 21.18

    Cruising Speed Av 20.61
    Peak Speed 23.20
    Final 100m 21.18
    Cruising Speed% V Peak 88.83
    Final 100m% V Peak 91.29
    Final 100m% V Cruising 102.76
    Champ Notes:

    An early slow pace clouding issues. Keen early off an easy 5 second 10 stride pace. Jumping speed impressed with a 0.44s jump recorded late on. The most impressive attribute of Champ is once he reached 22.32 strides/10s he was able to maintain or sustain that value or higher, which included peaking, to 125m from line or for a whooping 38sec.

    Only 5 G1 NH horses I’ve recorded have had a faster stride peak speed of 4.31s or faster for 10 strides.

    Physically ungainly with big outward-inward frontal rotation or nonlinear movement. High probability of front leg trauma and soundness issues going forward. Potentially a top class stayer who may cope with a drop back in trip. Ideally suited to 20f. His jump speed is already at a Champion Hurdler speed level. Novice who wouldn’t look out of place against seasoned hurdlers at top level.


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    Listening to his trainer/jocks you get the impression Champ has surprised them.

    As your friend suggests Kauto there must be soundness issues if they were deciding to kick on with him in Perth back in the spring.

    In a season where many horses going to the festival will be turning up off an interrupted preparation his experience will stand to him.

    That said all his wins have been around flat tracks where he hasn't had to battle and with an ease in the ground.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kauto Abu View Post
    Only 5 G1 NH horses I’ve recorded have had a faster stride peak speed of 4.31s or faster for 10 strides.
    Did your friend name the five?
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    Quote Originally Posted by granger View Post
    Front 2 in the Naas G1 look very good horses

    Battleoverdoyen looks very very green still so a real prospect him
    Like you I was very taken by Sam's Profile especially the way he ran on when getting out despite in and out jumping.
    Mouse often had one placed at a big price in Festival Novice hurdles.
    Family of Synchronised so will not stop when the pressure is on.
    25/1 for Ballymore is attractive for a middle aged ew fogey like me.

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    3 mile race maybe best suited Ed?
    Some people say he’s the best since Arkle and that’s certainly true when you look at what he’s done

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    Quote Originally Posted by Desert Orchid View Post
    Did your friend name the five?
    Buveur D’Air 4.00S
    Quick Grabim 4.06s
    Le Richebourg 4.20s
    Un De Sceaux 4.20s
    Sharjah 4.21s
    Champ 4.31s

    Any gaps in between are filled by the same horses. For example Buveur D’Air has a 4.08 and 4.12. He confirms a horse with that stride speed if it repeats it twice. In flat racing terms these would be sprinter stride speeds and he’s long held the notion that he’d love to see Buv in a group flat race from 12f +.

    His analysis are really something.


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    Cheers, KA.

    It's all the more galling that I was on Sharjah more than once in last year's Supreme. I was convinced he didn't run to form on the day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Desert Orchid View Post
    Cheers, KA.

    It's all the more galling that I was on Sharjah more than once in last year's Supreme. I was convinced he didn't run to form on the day.
    I think a combo of the fact he’s only back to himself now after that Leopardstown fall and he’s clearly thrived on good ground DO.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Desert Orchid View Post
    Cheers, KA.

    It's all the more galling that I was on Sharjah more than once in last year's Supreme. I was convinced he didn't run to form on the day.
    Sharjah needs it good. He didn't go a yard in the heavy ground in the Supreme last year. His last 2 wins have been on good ground, coming late of a strong pace. That ground and run style was never going to see him to best effect in the Supreme.

    I appreciate he won the Galway hurdle on soft, but I think that's more relative to the fact he had 15lbs in hand running off OR 146 on the day. He's 163 horse now only 5 months later......

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    The going stick on the first day of the festival last year read 4.4. Horrific ground. I can’t remember it ever being do bad. There was false patches all the way up the straight.


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    Quote Originally Posted by edgt View Post
    Like you I was very taken by Sam's Profile especially the way he ran on when getting out despite in and out jumping.
    Mouse often had one placed at a big price in Festival Novice hurdles.
    Family of Synchronised so will not stop when the pressure is on.
    25/1 for Ballymore is attractive for a middle aged ew fogey like me.
    “He’s only a five-year-old, if he goes to Cheltenham I wouldn’t have thought he’d run again and even if he goes to Cheltenham, I’m not sure yet. We’ll just keep his options open,” said Morris.
    “When he tried three miles at Cork it was just a bit much for him in fairness, but that is turning into a good race.
    “He’s definitely a next year job, I’m sure of that. Whether that’s over hurdles or fences, we’ll see.
    “My worry would be if he went for the Albert Bartlett that five-year-olds don’t have a great record in it.
    “I wouldn’t be against going to Cheltenham, I’m not getting any younger. I see he’s 20-1, but he should be that price just to get there.
    “Because of the weather there’ll be plenty of nice horses who haven’t even run yet. I suppose the longer it goes without raining raises the chance of a wet Cheltenham.
    “This lad will go on anything, but it was quick enough at Naas. Hopefully all he can do is improve.”
    Some people say he’s the best since Arkle and that’s certainly true when you look at what he’s done

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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Handful View Post
    I appreciate he won the Galway hurdle on soft, but I think that's more relative to the fact he had 15lbs in hand running off OR 146 on the day. He's 163 horse now only 5 months later......
    ... which is what I suspected his potential was going into the Supreme

    On the morning of the race I wrote:

    I do wonder if the going will render the form book virtually redundant. I reckon working out which of the highest rated runners can act well in the ground will be the percentage route to take. For that reason I’ve pretty much written off my bets on Sharjah. Mullins says he can’t put one foot in front of another in soft ground so why he’s even running here is hard to fathom. I’d much prefer he be taken out. Or in Mullins’s case taken out and shot.
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    Quick Grabim ruled out of festival with stress fracture.


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    the Moscow Flyer yesterday looks like the worst renewal in years

    Bar Leopardstown, it's been a pretty rank average year of racing in ireland, mostly because of the weather but also a somewhat disappointing crop of novices
    Some people say he’s the best since Arkle and that’s certainly true when you look at what he’s done

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    The Moscow Flyer was run 18 seconds faster than the maiden hurdle that people are talking up as decent.
    The older I get the better I was.

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