Yes, I can see some parallels with the Black Plague.
The poverty in the UK is nothing to do with the EU - that's about UK sovereign govt policy. The EU trade policy just means that we trade more efficiently.
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Yes, I can see some parallels with the Black Plague.
The poverty in the UK is nothing to do with the EU - that's about UK sovereign govt policy. The EU trade policy just means that we trade more efficiently.
have you given any thought to the robot revolution on its way, that alone is a good enough reason for brexit, the so called fourth industrial revolution.
Now I'm confused. Why does the robot revolution mean we should Brexit? I first heard about the fourth industrial revolution at school in the 80s.
7 million jobs could be lost over the next 20 years as technology change sweeps through the workplaces, thats a good enough reason
to leave the european union and control our borders and stop the free movement of people coming to great britain.
Ok, are you now forecasting mass unemployment, even if we stop immigration from the EU? That would be one tough pill to swallow - and no govt would survive on that premise. The robots in the fields picking crops, in the care homes wiping bums, will be replaced by ancillary occupations - we will need a an upskilled workforce to survive. Back to square one.
The robot revolution has been imminent for the last 40 years and still hasn't caused the mass unemployment predicted by some.
There is no reason why we cannot bring in migrant workers to pick fruit or to wipe old folks' bums post-Brexit.
It will be OUR decision based on what we need.
In the pre-EU 1960's and 1970's it was easy to go on fruit-picking "adventures" on the Continent and equally easy for Continentals to come here. It was easy for students to go on trips staying with European families to pick up the lingo, and similar trips to the UK were reciprocated. So many Remainers seem to believe we are going to draw an Iron Curtain across the English Channel. It's nonsense.
"And still they gazed and still the wonder grew. That one small head could carry all he knew.
And that small head knew that Impaire Et Passe would win the Champion Hurdle."
"And still they gazed and still the wonder grew. That one small head could carry all he knew.
And that small head knew that Impaire Et Passe would win the Champion Hurdle."
To be honest, I can't remember the discussions that well. I think I was half in shock at discovering that they had actually voted for Brexit. But, as I say, I tend to feel intellectually cowed in their presence - they are vastly more widely and deeply read than I am - and accept that they wouldn't vote to leave without having given the matter very serious consideration. Another brother who is heavily into his political reading voted Remain so it's hard to know what weight they gave to each aspect of the debate.
I'm so sick of the whole fiasco I can't be arsed engaging in further debate with them about it.
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Len Madeiros (9th November 2018)
The problem is that when we inevitably make working here more difficult ie, introducing visas, we will find that migrant labour will exercise its own decision and not come here.
Our decision to Brexit and stick two fingers to the rest of Europe IS an insult and will be viewed as such. It will be our greatest foreign policy failure since the war.
Looking forward to all four wheels jumping off the Brexit wagon soon, and ozgood pissing his baked-bean-stained joggers with rage, when it eventually comes to pass.
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Looks like the game is up. This is, literally, the best deal on offer from the EU: we stay in a customs union, where we accept their rules and tariffs, in order to secure our own tariff-free and frictionless trade. As us Remoaners had predicted all along. The alternative? Mogg's cliff-edge no deal. No responsible govt would ever have risked that, so this is what May has had to settle for. They didn't "need us more than we needed them" in the end, did they?
This deal will now tear Parliament apart, before a second referendum (that inevitably will occur because Parliament cannot determine the issue) tears the country apart again. My only hope is that voters will realise the enormity of what they unleashed in 2016, and many will vote Remain. Maybe even the poisonous press will change their tune. I can easily see at least one high-profile Leaver changing their minds, too - Gove would be my bet. This is why referenda and democracy do not always provide perfect solutions or even preferable outcomes - a hard lesson learned.
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Desert Orchid (14th November 2018), Grasshopper (14th November 2018)
Instead of having the parliamentary vote as May's deal or no deal, it would be interesting if she framed it as May's deal or remain.
The older I get the better I was.
She doesn't have enough authority to frame any deal in any way that has her name attached to it, Archie.
Please can someone explain things to me in words of one syllable? I’m SO confused
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