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    Thanks, Euro. I haven't been checking that. (Hasn't really entered my head as I am on holiday and not really following the racing.)

    I suppose it has to be a concern although any word that Moore was opting for Saxon Warrior would guarantee a drift for TP.

    It may be that Saxon Warrior is Hawk Wing to The Pentagon's High Chaparral.
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    Going change at Epsom at 7.37am

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    I keep looking at the Guineas result and cant get past thinking how damn ordinary a race it looked....if aob had thought his was really special you would not have gotten a sniff at the 3/1 offered. It may be better looking for an improver and we may well have already seen one in Roaring Lion....he looked a stone better last time than he did at Newmarket and if he improves yet again he might kick Saxon out of the park....12 on the machine ew looks the bet or if you feel the win part is lost he is bigger to be in the 3 than saxon is to win
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    Hoping Delano Roosevelt will turn out to be the AOB improver here.


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    I was applauding the winner from a fair way out. I had a big rating for it in the Craven and thought about backing it the other day when it was over 20/1 but had lost enough already ante-post on the race.

    What the form will amount to, though, is another matter. Probably a good, solid winner rather than anything special.
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    Winner should have been 2nd to at worst 4th fave. Goes off at 16/1. Maybe people thought Godolphin would never have a Derby winner.
    ROLL ON THE RESISTANCE !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by brendanr View Post
    Winner should have been 2nd to at worst 4th fave. Goes off at 16/1.
    Agree. Saxon Warrior, Masar and Roaring Lion were the three most likely winners on best form.
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    Good winner good comeback...must say the prices availsble for my selection for 3rd or 4th place were unreal....wish we had a Derby every day ;0)
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    Quote Originally Posted by brendanr View Post
    Young Rascal is a legitimate contender.

    If one looks at the nascent stride patterns and cadence research that Simon Rowlands is doing you would have your doubt whether SW will actually stay.
    Currently way too short in any case
    I find this potential angle one of the more interesting of the last years.
    It is still nascent but the stride pattern and cadence research looks quite promising.
    Actually had Masar as a more certain stayer than Saxon Warrior.
    Don't think SW did not stay but would not have beaten the winner in any circumstances imo.
    ROLL ON THE RESISTANCE !!!

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    One for pedigree buffs as Urban Sea appears in both sides of his pedigree as Granddam of New Approach and great grand dam of Masar's dam; a similar cross that Danehill has to Natalma.
    That Cape Cross and Lammtara is on dam's page rounds off the Godolphin story nicely
    Sire prospects pretty good.
    RPR within one pound of Sea The Stars' Derby rating.
    Typical of me had him backed in 2000 Guineas and deserted him here !
    Just the result racing needs with Sheikh Og having the runner up ,Qatar the third and Ballydoyle in minor roles.

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    Will be interesting to see where they go next with Saxon Warrior.
    Leger plan for the 2nd. Roaring Lion should be a great spin in the Eclipse.
    Fair play to the winner. Whether they stay at 12 or come back to 10.
    All comers, all grounds, all beaten!

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    I thought SW didnt handle the track: seemed unbalanced and was changing his legs. Nice for Buick.

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    He was also quite edgy before the race .
    Hazapour ran too freely so did not stay after looking the one to beat early in the straight.
    All in all there are a few horses that we will be hearing of again before the season is out.

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    It seems the Derby offers a barometer of the atmosphere on the forum.

    Only two pages to an entire thread on 'the world's greatest flat race' and only half-a-dozen post-race comments.

    Like so many forumites, I'm very much more a fan of the jumps but surely the race deserves more than that?

    My own excuse is that I've been off visiting family since early on Sunday but generally don't say much until the midweek anyway, once I've had time to crunch number and back-check form.

    So I'll say more later today probably but in the meantime how do people rate this year's race as a whole or the individual runners? I think we saw a good winner of an average race but whether the numbers will confirm that we'll see.
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    Is there a possibility that Masar needs cut to be at his very best?
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    Quote Originally Posted by simmo View Post
    Is there a possibility that Masar needs to be cut to be at his very best?
    Is this what you meant to say? Most on here will assume that it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grey View Post
    Is this what you meant to say? Most on here will assume that it is.
    No, I meant cut as in give in the ground, moistness underfoot as he got at both Epsom and Newmarket for the Craven meeting (granted that the official going doesn't reflect that). Though I'm all for snipping Derby winners.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Desert Orchid View Post
    It seems the Derby offers a barometer of the atmosphere on the forum.

    Only two pages to an entire thread on 'the world's greatest flat race' and only half-a-dozen post-race comments.

    Like so many forumites, I'm very much more a fan of the jumps but surely the race deserves more than that?

    My own excuse is that I've been off visiting family since early on Sunday but generally don't say much until the midweek anyway, once I've had time to crunch number and back-check form.

    So I'll say more later today probably but in the meantime how do people rate this year's race as a whole or the individual runners? I think we saw a good winner of an average race but whether the numbers will confirm that we'll see.
    Last year’s Derby thread ran to six pages. I started it. I was immediately the subject of unwarranted allegations of aftertiming by one member which cheesed me off to such an extent that I haven’t posted since that day. And I won’t post again. Call me over-sensitive but my view is: why put yourself through it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gus View Post
    Last year’s Derby thread ran to six pages. I started it. I was immediately the subject of unwarranted allegations of aftertiming by one member which cheesed me off to such an extent that I haven’t posted since that day. And I won’t post again. Call me over-sensitive but my view is: why put yourself through it?
    He doesn't post here very much any more, so feel free to start posting again. I'll post more often when I have something interesting to say - which isn't very often.
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    It's a feeling I genuinely understand, Gus.

    I have five or six people on ignore. It makes forum life so much easier.
    Two's company, three's allowed.

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