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    This get's funnier

    As I was reading Avenatti twitter feed in the last 5 mins he tweeted an update, and has filed to take Bechard deposition under oath on July 16th. I'd be amazed if he's allowed to, but it basically permits him to ask the pointed questions. It's clear to me at least that he thinks Donald Trump got her pregnant and not Elliott Broidy.
    Don't be so gloomy. After all it's not that awful. Like the fella says, in Italy for 30 years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder, and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci, and the Renaissance. In Switzerland they had brotherly love - they had 500 years of democracy and peace, and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock. So long Holly. _ Harry Limes

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    Time to update this after events in the last few hours over in California

    Two of the three counts that Peter Stris and Shera Bechard have brought against Michael Avenatti have been thrown out. Avenatti has been granted leave to file to recover his costs against them. Naturally Avenatti is proclaiming a victory, but the third count has been allowed to proceed which Avenatti is appealing

    We never knew what the counts were, and I'd speculated previously that it was a loss of income claim brought against Avenatti by Bechard in connection with him undermining her NDA with Broidy to the extent that Broidy ceased making payments on it. Such an action never looked likely to succeed given that Avenatti was never a signatory to the NDA. It now appears however, that the allegation might be that Avenatti has obtained personal details of her claim against Broidy through Keith Davidson, her former attorney and the person who represented her in having the original NDA drawn up - (Michael Cohen, Donald Trump's then self-styled 'fixer' drew that NDA up)

    Why is this significant?

    Well if Davidson has disclosed the true nature of the circumstances that led to the formation of the Bechard NDA, then he (Avenatti) knows who got Shera Bechard pregnant, which ultimately resulted in her having an abortion.

    What could have happened is this I believe.

    Avenatti has boxed Keith Davidson into a corner, as he had Michael Cohen. These two were then representing Bechard and Broidy respectively. Davidson would have been bound by client / attorney privilege and shouldn't disclose any information to Avenatti. But Davidson is in deep trouble over the Stormy Daniels NDA. The allegation seems to be that Avenatti has applied pressure to Davidson, (perhaps using Daniels as leverage) to secure details of the Bechard case and got it.

    Bechard has subsequently fired Davidson and instructed Peter Stris to act for her (same attorney who represented Karen McDougall in her victory against AMI)

    They sued Avenatti for seeking information about Bechard (and have also sued Davidson on the same motion)

    It's perhaps worth looking at Avenatti's behaviour during the period which we now believe he's been in possession of the information. He has been leaving a trail of breadcrumbs about 'Roe' (a reference to the landmark abortion ruling Roe v Wade) and cryptically suggested it would be interesting to know how Donald Trump really thinks about it. He's also suggested on national television that we might one day discover that Broidy isn't the person who got the former playboy model pregnant and that the person who did it might very well be someone else. Who though?

    Urm .. now why would Donald Trump's fixer be involved in drawing up the NDA for what is really a Californian affair. If only we could think of someone who has a history of chasing after playboy models? Why would an obscure GOP donor who has mysteriously benefited hugely in the last 18 months from Trump administration contracts, agree to pay $1.6M to a model. It's almost as if he's agreeing to take the fall for someone who needs to be protected

    In the last half hour, Broidy has filed an emergency petition with the Californian courts to prevent the documentation being unsealed on the grounds that its embarrassing to him and will cause him both constitutional and reputational damage that would be irrepairable. He might get a 10 day stay on this, but his case is weakening
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    Don't be so gloomy. After all it's not that awful. Like the fella says, in Italy for 30 years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder, and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci, and the Renaissance. In Switzerland they had brotherly love - they had 500 years of democracy and peace, and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock. So long Holly. _ Harry Limes

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    Why does any of this matter? You could tie yourself in knots with US legal jargon.

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    Because it resulted in an abortion which is a massive hot button issue for a certain sect of Republicans.

    The big issue is was it Broidy or Trump? I honestly don't have a view. I think there's clear testimony to say its Broidy, but plenty of compelling circumstantial evidence to implicate Trump too. The only people who know for certain are the two people who had sex, plus Bechard's original attorney as he must have been given a name to approach someone in the first place, and they must recognised the legitimacy of the claim in order to have the NDA drawn up and a payment schedule agreed.

    We know Davidson approached Cohen. Why? Cohen lives on the other side of the country, and had a client book of one at the time (he tried to tag Sean Hannity onto his list of clients later). Cohen isn't a legal expert in anything, and has barely taken a case to prosecution in his life. Why would anyone reach out to Michael Cohen?

    There are two explanations, and both seem plausible

    1: Davidson is something of a crook who doesn't observe client fiduciary responsibility. He saw this as a potential earner for him and a partner (Cohen). He knew Cohen had an NDA already drawn up because he'd originally represented Stormy Daniels. He duly rings Cohen and says 'hey, do you know Elliott Broidy? Well you might want to get in contact with him because …. "

    2: Davidson contacts Cohen because Trump is the person who got Bechard pregnant. Cohen says 'leave it with me, I'll find someone in California who'll agree to say it was them in return for some favourable contracts'. He duly gets back in touch with Davidson and says a GOP donor with a history of bribery convictions called Elliott Broidy has agreed to say it was him

    Either scenario could be true to my thinking. Davidson knows I reckon, but Davidson is a seriously unreliable witness, and certainly if he isn't under oath.

    If Donald Trump has got Shera Bechard in the months leading up to polling day, and forced her into having an abortion, that doesn't sit very well with at least evangelical voters. It also casts huge questions marks of his supposed pro-life stance

    I should have added of course, the greater damage to Trump will come from the subsequent awards of federal contracts (totalling about $60m) to Broidy. That's not all he's done. Broidy's business interests have also been greatly assisted by the US government dropping fraud investigations into some of the businesses he trades closely with in Malaysia and the UAE, and Trump's also altered some policy platforms (particularly in favour of the UAE and against Qatar) that has allowed Broidy to benefit financially. This is swamping the drain
    Last edited by Warbler; 9th September 2018 at 1:20 AM.
    Don't be so gloomy. After all it's not that awful. Like the fella says, in Italy for 30 years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder, and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci, and the Renaissance. In Switzerland they had brotherly love - they had 500 years of democracy and peace, and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock. So long Holly. _ Harry Limes

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    On a slight tangent, in the last few hours Michael Cohen has issued Michael Avenatti with a notice of voluntary dismissal from the Stormy Daniels DNA case (he's dropped the allegations and all claims against her and sought to dismiss himself from the case). In other words, she's won, he's lost

    This comes in the wake of Trump's desperate filing to the California court over the weekend where he's now contending that he has never been of the opinion that the DNA was legally formed (no contract existed now according to Trump) which he's now using as an attempt to slip the noose. In other words he too is surrendering but trying to do so on grounds of the fact that because the contract was never legally formed he can't be deposed under oath about it. Basically Trump is kakking himself about having to answer Avenatti's questions with the near certainty that he'll commit perjury

    Avenatti did of course file a defamation suit against both Cohen and Trump months ago as he'd anticipated that they would eventually see sense and realise they were going to lose and seek to extricate themselves by simply dropping the claims against Daniels and paying her costs, rather than face a hearing where they'd have to plead the 5th amendment to avoid and even more catastrophic loss.

    I'm not as convinced that the defamation case is as strong as the NDA case, but Avenatti is now fighting to get something into a court so as to permit him to take deposition from the pair as they're bound to blame each other, which means he'll be granted power of discovery which permits him to ask related questions which they have to answer under oath in order to help establish a pattern of behaviour

    Stormy Daniels recently appeared on Dutch TV and was asked if there was anything "she knew, that the rest of us didn't yet". She said there was, and that in her opinion it stood a 50/50 chance of bringing Trump down. Avenatti was subsequently asked about her answer and confirmed he knew what she was referring to, and that in his opinion the future revelation stood a better chance than 50/50.

    My own guess is that it has to be that Donald Trump and not Elliott Broidy got Shera Bechard pregnant. That in itself needn't be terminal to his political career, albeit damaging with the pro-life lobby. What will constitute a 'high crime and misdemeanour' is how Broidy was subsequently compensated for his agreement to take the fall on behalf of Trump. The Trump administration has awarded $40m of contracts to Broidy's company, they've dropped a criminal investigation into a significant Malaysian business partner which has also been worth a lot of money for Broidy, and also adopted a policy favourable to another Broidy business interest in the UAE. In any normal country, this would be considered corruption
    Don't be so gloomy. After all it's not that awful. Like the fella says, in Italy for 30 years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder, and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci, and the Renaissance. In Switzerland they had brotherly love - they had 500 years of democracy and peace, and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock. So long Holly. _ Harry Limes

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    An excellent interplay between DNA and NDA in par 2 Warbler. Either works!
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