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    A very interesting thread indeed, and great information.

    I have two Quest For Peace fillies, but unlikely to race this year. I'd be surprised if many of his progeny are
    ready for the first half of the season.

    I also have a Sir Prancealot filly and Nayef colt.

    I'm taking my time with all four and the Nayef is the first one to be backed.

    I also have 2yo's in South Africa this year because a likely decent type can be purchased relatively cheaply and the training and racing costs / prize money is advantageous. The race planning for them is also easier.

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    Welcome to Talking Horses, Racehorsematch.
    Ah! but a man's reach should exceed his grasp......

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    Hopefully I can post something informative over the forthcoming months.

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    BUNGLE INTHEJUNGLE is the first First Season Sire to have a winner as Jungle Jane takes the first race at Dundalk.
    Ah! but a man's reach should exceed his grasp......

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    Foal 8,000 euros and yearling 15,000 euros. A nice purchase.

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    a lot of his progeny out early so nice to see a winner for him.
    Thumbs up too to Brendan Duke who got the first one on the board Sunday.
    Art quizzed him about his two year olds at Leopardstown Feb weekend but he stayed quiet about that one!
    Nice fellow all the same.

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    It will be interesting to see how many more prevail over the next four weeks, and whether they have much improvement.

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    William Hill have a book on the market aswell now

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    Thank you, Nathan.

    William Hill odds:

    KINGMAN 2/1
    NO NAY NEVER 10/3
    AUSTRALIA 9/2
    SLADE POWER 13/2
    ALHEBAYEB 12
    TORONADO 14
    CHARM SPIRIT 14
    WAR COMMAND 14
    BUNGLE INTHEJUNGLE 16
    MORPHEUS 25
    GALE FORCE TEN 25
    SEA THE MOON 33
    Ah! but a man's reach should exceed his grasp......

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    Had an interesting chat with a man in the business at Cork Races yesterday.
    For what it is worth he says
    1 Alhebayeb has the most foals so should get the most winners
    2 Kingman may be the best long term but stock may be slow coming to hand.
    3 No Nay Never was slow covering his first season so may not have enough runners but has nice sorts and is Coolmore's best hope.
    4 War Command yearlings looked more like stores to him than flat types
    5 Gale Force Ten did not get quality mares but shuld be a better sire than breeders think.
    6 Overall a poor crop of first season sires.
    7 Has been wrong before so advice to be taken accordingly.

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    Interesting comments Edgt. If 1 were true then the quality of the sire wouldn't matter. As regards 2 I'm sure 2 years ago Frankel was in a similar position with the best mates. I can't argue with 6 and 7, but who would have picked out some of the FSS's of previous years? I have said I fancy Toronado as he was a very good 2yo, had a good number of foals and has been moved from the National stud. Now I might be wrong on this but I take that as the owners ( Al Shaqab) liking the foals they'd seen and thinking he'd earn more at another stud. Having said that I'm surprised how few Toronados Hannon has. I like the 2yo king to have some of your foals. Same maternal line as Casamento and Vaguely Noble: why not a top FSS.

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    He is a sire that went completely under my radar but sales reports are good and the right people have them.
    Sons of High Chaparral have not done particularly well at stud yet commercially speaking ( a small trainer I spoke to Sat would not take a present of a So You Think, his loss maybe !) .Must say I loved all three as racehorses , especially their desire to run and win.
    Must say I was king of surprised myself at my breeder's comments with no mention of Australia even long term but there you go.

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    Jungle Inthebungle a second winner for FSS BUNGLE INTHEJUNGLE, Lingfield 2.55.
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    One of the pre-season favourites in the top First Season Sires, NO NAY NEVER, has his first runner today at Dundalk 6.00. The Irish Rover appears to be the second choice of the stable (A.P.O’Brien) with the Scat Daddy sired Sergei Prokofiev heading the market.
    Ah! but a man's reach should exceed his grasp......

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    Daphinia a winner for first season sire KUROSHIO at Wolverhampton yesterday.
    Ah! but a man's reach should exceed his grasp......

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    It was well expected too

    Good ride by the jock switching inside to the rail
    Last edited by Racehorsematch; 15th April 2018 at 9:16 AM. Reason: additional info

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    Very strange market moves throughout the day. I noted it at 16/1 early morning, it had moved into 5/1 during the afternoon and then returned at 16/1?!
    Ah! but a man's reach should exceed his grasp......

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    I took less than 16/1. I should guess that all the clever money was on and no bets at the track which is why it drifted like a barge.

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    Newmarket 4.10 Strings Of Life first winner for first season sire SLADE POWER.
    Ah! but a man's reach should exceed his grasp......

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    Very impressive and the trainer reckons he has another SLADE POWER due out soon
    Formely Fist of Fury

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