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    One winner yesterday, Nottingham 12.35 Surfman for KINGMAN.
    Ah! but a man's reach should exceed his grasp......

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    No Nay Never a deserved winner but a fourfold increase in covering fees sounds a bit much.

    Thanks Colin for a stimulating thread as always.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ulleyseys46 View Post
    no nay never's progeny have sold very well at the sales, most likeliest winner imo, very precocious horse, every chance the progeny will be too.
    was very easy to predict the winner this year, roll on next year. good thread

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    Three cheers for Colin; great research all season and up to the minute always.
    Fourfold increase indeed a bit rich ED but with no superstar retiring this year they must make the bobs somehow.
    Not shy at covering mares also as their three first season sires this year, Caravaggio, Churchill and Highland Reel covered 600 mares between them.

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    Thanks gents, just to complete the job - three winners yesterday:

    Doncaster 12.55 Edgewood for GARSWOOD

    Chelmsford 4.30 Shining Armor - MORPHEUS

    Chelmsford 5.30 Spanish Mission - NOBLE MISSION

    Final wins total:

    NO NAY NEVER 31
    CHARM SPIRIT 27
    KINGMAN 21
    WAR COMMAND 19
    BUNGLE INTHEJUNGLE 18
    TORONADO 17
    SLADE POWER 15
    AUSTRALIA 12

    At some point I will put up a more detailed table.
    Ah! but a man's reach should exceed his grasp......

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    Honorary mention for Gregorian, good return for stakes winners if not pure numbers.

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    Thanks for all the work youve done on this thread Colin, appreciate it.

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    ignore, faffing about trying to copy and paste a table.
    Last edited by Colin Phillips; 12th November 2018 at 10:05 AM.
    Ah! but a man's reach should exceed his grasp......

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    Thanks, Carl.

    A fuller breakdown below - heavily indebted to the Adrian Massey site for this data.


    Sire Runs Wins Strike Rate % % Return @SP % Return at Betfair SP 5% com
    NO NAY NEVER
    151
    31
    20.5
    95.8
    119.7
    CHARM SPIRIT
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    27
    14.3
    84.1
    105.8
    KINGMAN
    105
    21
    20.0
    114.7
    164.2
    WAR COMMAND
    140
    19
    13.6
    83.6
    98.8
    BUNGLE INTHEJU
    180
    18
    10.0
    63.0
    71.3
    TORONADO
    112
    17
    15.2
    92.8
    125.8
    SLADE POWER
    179
    15
    8.4
    70.0
    139.5
    AUSTRALIA
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    12
    9.8
    50.6
    65.2
    MOOHAAJIM
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    9
    19.6
    N/A N/A
    ALHEBAYEB
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    8
    3.8
    30.8
    37.2
    COACH HOUSE
    154
    8
    5.2
    28.9
    36.8
    GALE FORCE TEN
    87
    8
    9.2
    43.7
    48.9
    GREGORIAN
    136
    8
    5.9
    45.1
    55.3
    HEERAAT
    153
    8
    5.2
    39.0
    45.7
    Last edited by Colin Phillips; 12th November 2018 at 10:11 AM.
    Ah! but a man's reach should exceed his grasp......

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    Top of the prizemoney winners:

    NO NAY NEVER
    KINGMAN
    RULER OF THE WORLD
    CHARM SPIRIT

    Black-type winners:

    NO NAY NEVER 5
    KINGMAN 4
    CHARM SPIRIT 1
    BUNGLE INTHEJUNGLE 1
    RULER OF THE WORLD 1
    WAR COMMAND 1
    Ah! but a man's reach should exceed his grasp......

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    G-G, GREGORIAN's honourable mention:

    Fourth best in the list of Black-Type horses with three, with two Group horses. His offspring accrued 151,994 pounds between them.
    Ah! but a man's reach should exceed his grasp......

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    Ruler Of The world overperformed also with his horses.
    Sure to get better with age , especially given the sweaty looking rag he was on Irish Derby Day.

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