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Thread: Ladbrokes Trophy Chase. Newbury. December 2nd.

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    Thistlecrack has never beaten a top horse on the top of its form. Neither has he come out on top when in a battle
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    Think you could argue the toss about that about any horse, archie, and not convinced it's valid argument.

    Thistlecrack was over-rated over fences (though perhaps by not so much), and was a top-end staying hurdler in his prime. I don't really buy the argument that he hasn't been all that great all along, and that circumstances handed him his wins.

    There were a host of valid reasons for wanting to be against him today, without running-down what he achieved before his injury. That just seems a little unfair - and inaccurate - to me.


    Anyway, onwards and upwards to the Hennessy/Ladbrokes Trophy. recall, Genie and/or Vyta will do for me tomorrow, and I'll be combining them in forecasts and tricasts
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    While I still think Royal Vacation (EW) could run a big race here finding the winner looks a nightmare.

    Of the Henderson pair I'd have to go with Whisper. Daryl Jacob was originally going to Newcastle but instead of putting up 2 or 3lbs extra he sidesteps the ride on Vtyu(Got no chance imo) now heads to Bangor

    Coneygree ?The horse simply is not right and I'll be surprised finishes..he falters the second pressure is put on and there will be plenty here

    Been hearing good reports from friends back home about Potter Legend who is a huge price Brain Hughes on board is a huge boost. Will have a few quid on just incase

    WPM crossing the Irish Sea for this? How can you oppose the best trainer of NH races since Fulke Walwyn....Fav but a must bet for me Total Recall
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    Love this race, and, imho, American has the near-perfect profile for it, and looks to have been preserved for it since last season. He has been mainly kept to soft ground owing to his fragility and, if his trainer is prepared to risk him today, then,so am I.
    Certainly been given the prep of a horse with a major chance.

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    Yes this is between American and Singlefarmpayment for me. I'm on at 14's and 16's. I also have Vyta Du Roc and Double Ross at bigger prices all each way. I'm happy with my position and wouldn't swap my bets for anything else in the race.

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    Reet and I have the first and second Maruco is it ok if you settle for 3rd? Where can I do the tricast?
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    If my figures are right, SFP might just run away with this, despite its being such a hot race. I've also taken 100/1 ew for the Gold Cup in case I'm right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tanlic View Post
    Reet and I have the first and second Maruco is it ok if you settle for 3rd? Where can I do the tricast?

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    In many ways today is similar to a Festival day for me. I'm balls deep on Singlefarmpayment at an average of just under 13/1. Only other proper bet is stake cover on VDR at 25/1. Had decided not to go because of likely weather but swithering and could just make it if I go soon.
    Common sense dictates I should be laying off but, sod it, I'm a punter- I think. DO's (he of 50/1 winner fame) comment above puts steel in my backbone but it is of the flexible variety. The probable point for a decision whether to lay off will be determined by some early results, notably at Fairyhouse, as I have a number of multiples that include SFP at present level prices.

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    I should be laying off too TS, but instead I've just put my four in combination forecasts and tricasts!!!

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    I don't fancy the fav Total Recall in terms of form and especially looking at these stats for WP Mullins in UK only races from 2000 to now at ISP £1 level stakes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tanlic View Post
    Of the Henderson pair I'd have to go with Whisper. Daryl Jacob was originally going to Newcastle but instead of putting up 2 or 3lbs extra he sidesteps the ride on Vtyu(Got no chance imo) now heads to Bangor
    You know a Nicky Henderson horse has a good chance when Tanlic says the complete opposite.

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    Yeah right Marble.....I backed the first and second backed Potters at 46 and laid him at 10....how did you do LOL
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    very nearly backed whisper but left it, felt sick as he went on from the last so a bit relieved in the end

    either way a nice boost for might bite

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    Quote Originally Posted by Desert Orchid View Post
    If my figures are right, SFP might just run away with this, despite its being such a hot race. I've also taken 100/1 ew for the Gold Cup in case I'm right.
    Not giving up on the horse. Jockey had a shocker - no need to be right at the back from the start and he used him up to get into contention.

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    Yes, a huge boost for Mite Bite. The two of them have finished a long way clear in a Hennessy. Hard to know where Singlefarmpayment would have finished as he was finding when he fell, but probably booked for third at best.

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    SFP was about a length behind the winner when he fell. He didn't jump brilliantly before the fall though.

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    Lol, Tan, a good result for punters, I got the value on Vyta, but not the winner.
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    Had a complete and utter wipe out myself thought Whisper has run a cracker unbelievable run.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Euronymous View Post
    Not giving up on the horse. Jockey had a shocker - no need to be right at the back from the start and he used him up to get into contention.
    Just came on to say something similar. The jockey must have thought he was riding the Derby winner, never mind a Gold Cup winner. I just could not fathom his starting position and early race tactics. You just cannot give unnecessary distance in a race of that quality.
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