I dont know what you put Baleares or Valencia in that list
even cataluña, independentist are not majority,
it is obvious the owners of the companys and civilised people is not acting in the streets like nazis, that is the job of the anaraquist and their young extrem left delinquents
the King was perfect
he said he wanted the law to be done
when you see someone robbing a bank, or someone kidnapping a baby, what do you have to dialogue with them
I dont know what has the king in common with Falange
your ex catalain boyfriend did tell some bizarre things
about Guardia Civil, it is obvious you dont know nothing abut Spain
about Civil working people what is on the streeets or trying to go an ilegal pseudoreferedum........
the people fighting the police in the streets are delinquents
and it is obvious they are not going to work tomorrow, in fact they made an ilegal strike not to allow the people to go to work yesterday
About the infrasctuture
It is obvious you dont know nothing
Do you know they have AVE (high speed train) for years and years
Do you remember a city not being the capital which has hosted and olimpics (Barcelona 92)
About the Nou Camp, of course they dont play there, the atmosphere this nazis have created dont allow it
They have special treatment in the spanish paliment and have much more memeber with the same level of votes tan in any other place of spain
And they are so stupid they are not allowing to speak in spanish to the kids in the public schools
Rajoys party corruptions scandal are on courts and they have paid a lot for them.
Sadly the other parties are even worse
Socialist affairs are much bigger in quantitie and quality
Podemos are being paid by IRan and Venezuela and what they are doing in places liek Madrid and BVarcelona has to be seen to be believed
And nationalist makes level of coruption difficult to believe
Democratic princicles is what we have here , I know some people is so naive that thinks pólice should treat with roses and teddybears with deliquents, but sadly thats not the case.
and Rajoy has been a disaapoitningmet but is doing a much better job tan the inept precvoous one (zapatero who was president thanks to a terrosit and attac) and the alternatives we have, especially with Podemos.
When you say progressive, I dont if take as an insult, tell me
60s….. yes some people still believes in John Lenon, as I see
Tanks in the diagonal?
In if it is necessary YES, and the catalán goverment in jail of course
If that happens, sunny, it might be the whole of Spain and not just Catalunya which will be out of the EU. Physical force should never be the solution to a political problem.
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The EU wouldn't dare eject Spain. Apart from anything else, they'd fall out of stability mechanism allowing them to renege on their debt and leaving the ECB and German banks and taxpayers in particular under the target 2 mechanism to pick up the pieces.
Look at the lengths Turkey has had to go to before the EU finally suspended any future application. The EU will look the other way, or at the very most, suspend Spain should they start shooting civilians dead, but they won't throw them out of the Euro for fear of where the current liabilities are
If Catalunya has allowed support from the EU to enter their thinking, then they've badly miscalculated
The EU already has problems with Poland and Hungary, not to mention Brexit, they aren't about to start showing Spain the door. Rajoy can pretty well do what he wants, and quite probably will
Don't be so gloomy. After all it's not that awful. Like the fella says, in Italy for 30 years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder, and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci, and the Renaissance. In Switzerland they had brotherly love - they had 500 years of democracy and peace, and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock. So long Holly. _ Harry Limes
I realize English is not your first language but is also obvious that you simply are not capable of clear thought here.
You made the ridiculous assertion that I quote "Catalonia is a former rich part of the country in clear downgrade thanks to the extreme left politic of recent times and the corruption of the former president Puyol"
I put up growth numbers to refute that. Your response is just gibberish
ROLL ON THE RESISTANCE !!!
Words fail me here but rest assured I know a lot more about what goes on in Spain then you think. I don't speak only to Catalans but to others as well and there are enough of them appalled by this situation.
Big fan of John Lennon and not afraid to admit I guess that makes me a commie lover.
When you were still navigating the straits between your daddy's balls I was out in the world risking getting my ass shot off, for the land of the free and the home of the brave, in a far away land where reactionaries like yourself saw the communist bogeyman behind everybody reading Mao's red bible. All those people protesting that war wound up on the right side of history. Those that got 50000 or more killed for **** all not so much.
What can I say we live in the age of Trump where nativism and revanchism is the flavor of the times. Very sad.
ROLL ON THE RESISTANCE !!!
Agree with the part of the Catalonian miscalculation if that is indeed the case but would be really worried if Franco's descendants wound up shooting people dead in the streets and the EU looked the other way because of potential forfeitures of Spanish debt. But again in the age of Trump I guess anything is possible.
ROLL ON THE RESISTANCE !!!
When I was young, dumb and full of come ready to kick ass at the drop of a hat my favorite slogan was better dead than red. Didn't get me very far but I did not die either.
I take a more nuanced view of these things now but would not hesitate to pick up a weapon and use it if my life or that of my loved ones was threatened.
ROLL ON THE RESISTANCE !!!
The nearest parallel is Northern Ireland, and there was never any suggestion that the EEC was ever going to eject the UK for the occasional extra judicial killing. A lot of it will depend on how any shootings occur in the fog of conflict, claim and counter claim.
Jean Claude Druncker might permit himself a case of Cava in solidarity at best, but I doubt even he's going to be crass enough to say there was trouble makers on both sides and some fine people in amongst the Falange
There is some provision I believe in the International Charter of Human Rights that has a commitment to the freedom of self determination. The EU is signatory but I doubt its strong enough as Spain would probably be able to argue that the Catalans already have this through democratic structures and devolved powers
The EU might send Spain a strongly worded memorandum, but that'll be about it.
It's probably worth remembering that Spain isn't the only member state with separatist movements humming away too, albeit the Spanish case is more organised than the others. There won't be much support for Catalunya within the European Council
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Don't be so gloomy. After all it's not that awful. Like the fella says, in Italy for 30 years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder, and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci, and the Renaissance. In Switzerland they had brotherly love - they had 500 years of democracy and peace, and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock. So long Holly. _ Harry Limes
Another thought is the number of parts of Spain which have a significant independence movement - half the country seems to not want to be part of the whole.
I was slightly amused to see the following graffiti on my last visit to the Canary Islands.
Las Canarias es no Espana.
followed by
Ta Puta Madre.
I'm guessing that the second person disagreed.
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ROLL ON THE RESISTANCE !!!
Don't be so gloomy. After all it's not that awful. Like the fella says, in Italy for 30 years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder, and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci, and the Renaissance. In Switzerland they had brotherly love - they had 500 years of democracy and peace, and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock. So long Holly. _ Harry Limes
Warbler, I find it impossible to imagine similar scenes in Edinburgh if the Scottish nationalist organised another referendum without London's say so.
People in Europe mightn't like what their governments are doing in Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan and elsewhere in far and distant lands but at the same time it all seems abstract. But when it comes to a place like Barcelona, which most of us have already visited, the public reaction is going to be different. Juncker and his colleagues cannot fail to pick up on that, they will have the same gut reaction themselves if Sunny's wet dream of tanks on the Diagonal comes to pass. I hope they are already doing what they can to make sure it doesn't happen.
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