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    I wanted to say this few days ago on the Chasers/Hurdlers thread before knowing what TF will rate the Arc, but clearly they're doing this to spark comments on their ratings on the principle any publicity is good publicity. I think this has already backfired. RIP Timeform.

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    I think they've said in the past that they won't go below a certain figure for certain races, like the feat of winning for example a Derby is worth a base figure no matter the form.

    Some poor Derby's in the past had to have been below 120 but they'll never go that low. And this goes all the way back to Arkle - they justify that rating by saying he was capable of conceding the full range of weight to horses of or near Gold Cup quality - but what if Stalbridge Colonist, What a Myth et al were fortunate in that post Arkle those Gold Cups were absolute rubbish. We see dips in quality of certain races now, with a huge racehorse population. The likelihood of bad years would have been even more likely back then with fewer horses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sunybay View Post
    on the day

    Zarkava 128+
    Treve 126+ and 123 (2nd arc)
    Danedream 130+

    Enable 123+ (provisional)
    I dont do ratings so couldn't quote figures of my own but as much as I love Zarkava, surely Treve's first Arc was at least as good based on what she beat and how she beat it on the day?
    I'm clever enough to ask the questions i'm too stupid to answer

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    Danedream possibly rated too high; was not the runner up a 66/1 pacemaker ?
    Her subsequent King George win hardly justified that rating.

    Enable is better than her Sunday rating and I hope she stays in training as she has the size, scope and temperament for the job.
    I was worried at her parade ring enthusiasm at York but that proved well unfounded.
    Credit to her and her connections for not over training and keeping her form which cannot be measured accurately enough in figures.
    She looks the part, has acted the part and has improved through the season; remember just a few months ago we thought J Gosden had a better filly
    in the yard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by edgt View Post
    Danedream possibly rated too high; was not the runner up a 66/1 pacemaker ?
    2nd Shareta subsequent winner of the Vermeille and Yorkshire Oaks
    3rd Snow Fairy - Oaks, Irish Oaks and subsequently Irish Champion Stakes
    4th So You Think - multiple G1 winner.

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    Third and fourth had best form over ten furlongs; Fifth St Nicholas Abbey a better horse left handed in smaller size fields and winner did not run to that rating again.
    Top class filly no doubt, she put that lot well and truly to bed.

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    Enable is class and hopefully will stay in training.

    Treve in her 1st Arc was the best performance of the ones mentioned.
    All comers, all grounds, all beaten!

    This perfect mix of poetry and destruction.

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    Enable to stay in training next season.
    All comers, all grounds, all beaten!

    This perfect mix of poetry and destruction.

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    Anybody been to the new Longchamp yet?

    Trying to decide between Finish Line tickets & Gold Stand.
    Alcohol, because no good story ever started with "I was eating this salad..."

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    Good to see Enable back at Kempton on Saturday.

    Tasty with Crystal Ocean taking her on.
    All comers, all grounds, all beaten!

    This perfect mix of poetry and destruction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wilsonl View Post
    Anybody been to the new Longchamp yet?

    Trying to decide between Finish Line tickets & Gold Stand.
    Not yet but will be there this year. Let me know how your research goes so that I can piggy back on it! I notice with alarm that he €7 I paid in to watch Sea The Stars win it has now moved up to €75.
    "And still they gazed and still the wonder grew. That one small head could carry all he knew.

    And that small head knew that Impaire Et Passe would win the Champion Hurdle."

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    Quote Originally Posted by an capall View Post
    Not yet but will be there this year. Let me know how your research goes so that I can piggy back on it! I notice with alarm that he €7 I paid in to watch Sea The Stars win it has now moved up to €75.
    We've booked Finish Line because: -

    a) You can go back and forth between grandstand and infield but those in the infield (inc. Gold Stand) can't access the grandstand
    b) Grandstand is in fact solely for use Finish Line ticket holders and those with reserved seating
    c) Paddock access is only available to those in the grandstand, unless specifically paying for it
    d) The new terrace area (linked to paddock I think) , which they're so keen to show on the website gallery, is again dedicated to those with grandstand access only

    At least that's how I've interpreted it all but time will tell whether it was the correct decision.

    And yes, €8 I paid to see Dalakhani.
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    What price are seats now anyone ?
    Not that I will travel this year , just curiosity; I paid 75 Euro for Workforce's 2010 triumph.

    Just checked; 249 Euro and sold out.
    Last edited by edgt; 6th September 2018 at 8:05 PM.

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    the tickets are too cheap
    the ones I was looking for are sold out and my visit is on balance

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    Good to hear from you David. I hope you and your family are keeping well. If you make it to Paris let's make sure we say hello.
    "And still they gazed and still the wonder grew. That one small head could carry all he knew.

    And that small head knew that Impaire Et Passe would win the Champion Hurdle."

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    Quote Originally Posted by edgt View Post
    What price are seats now anyone ?
    Not that I will travel this year , just curiosity; I paid 75 Euro for Workforce's 2010 triumph.

    Just checked; 249 Euro and sold out.
    Does that include a fortnight in Barbados?
    Formely Fist of Fury

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    Only if you get the tierce/ quinte

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    Quote Originally Posted by edgt View Post
    Only if you get the tierce/ quinte
    No need for that, Ed!
    "And still they gazed and still the wonder grew. That one small head could carry all he knew.

    And that small head knew that Impaire Et Passe would win the Champion Hurdle."

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    Sheees Baaack.
    All comers, all grounds, all beaten!

    This perfect mix of poetry and destruction.

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    Enable looks a steering job.......again.

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