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    RPR have Enable on 129 for Sunday's win, just 1lb below her King George best and 2lb below Treve's first win. Seems entirely reasonablo to me, as it wouldn't have been a strong Arc, but she beat them easy enough in the end.

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    4 Oaks a King George and an Arc without breaking sweat with an Eclipse and Juddmonte winner made to look like a tree.


    Frankie is taking her up as one of the best he's ridden but!!!!! Hard to say how serious he is as shed talk is the flavour of the year these days

    129 may be fair but it's not generous
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    you can win 4 arcs and being rated 120 and win one and be 140

    Enable has had a huge season but she was not even the best horse running on sunday at chantilly

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    She is definitely the most straight forward Sunybay.
    Her rating will make sense when she is ever beaten, I imagine she more in the locker Sunday so you add a "p" to any rating she earned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sunybay View Post
    you can win 4 arcs and being rated 120 and win one and be 140

    Enable has had a huge season but she was not even the best horse running on sunday at chantilly
    Or win none and also be rated 140.

    Consistent horse yes straightorward yes, very good yes.
    Great uh no!
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    I think most of great talks are regarding to performances not on actual quality of horses beaten. 129 on RP scale for a filly is great but not special in terms of ratings, but in terms of races won she is exceptional.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sunybay View Post
    you can win 4 arcs and being rated 120 and win one and be 140

    Enable has had a huge season but she was not even the best horse running on sunday at chantilly
    What!!!!!!!!!!. You can't seriously think Battaash is a better horse than her?. Marsha never raised a gallop on the ground which flattered him no end.

    She has won everything put in front of her without turning a hair no matter the ground. Her total earnings £3,807,889

    Battaash is likely to boil over at anytime , needs soft to be at his best, has run in only 2 group 1's one of which he was beaten in. His total earnings £410,458

    He may have a slightly higher rating but that means nothing it's like trying to compare Istabraq to Arkle
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    I gave up with you long time ago,

    your knowledge of handicapping horse racing should improve quite a lot to start debating with me.

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    Enable given 134 by Timeform. Apparently they have Ulysees running just a pound below his Juddmonte effort (which is wrong surely, RPR have him 3lbs below that mark)

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    Quote Originally Posted by sunybay View Post
    I gave up with you long time ago,

    your knowledge of handicapping horse racing should improve quite a lot to start debating with me.
    Yeah you gave her 120 I said 133 and Timeform gave her 134...I will let others be the judge of your handicapping abilities
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    Quote Originally Posted by Euronymous View Post
    Enable given 134 by Timeform. Apparently they have Ulysees running just a pound below his Juddmonte effort (which is wrong surely, RPR have him 3lbs below that mark)
    What do they know..they're a pound wrong
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    Quote Originally Posted by sunybay View Post
    good performance , impressive camapaign, top trainer keeping her in top form whole season

    she goes to 122 yesterday
    great campaign, but on the racecourse the form is quite behind Treve, Zarkava or Danedream

    it was a good winner in a bad edition
    What did you rate those three at their best?
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    So, when account is taken of the 5lb allowance, Timeform have Enable ahead of Sea The Stars and just behind Frankel?
    Last edited by Grey; 4th October 2017 at 7:52 PM.

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    Her sex allowance is included in her rating. They are basically saying she'd dead heat with Peintre Celebre. STS was another 3lbs superior to him (though not over 12f)

    Frankel still well clear.

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    timeform lost plot long time ago

    the problem with enable on 134

    is that you have to go

    Cloth The stars 133
    order 128 in 12f
    iquitos 125
    winter 122 on 12 f
    one foot in heave 124
    Doha dream 124


    nothing more need to be said

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    on the day

    Zarkava 128+
    Treve 126+ and 123 (2nd arc)
    Danedream 130+

    Enable 123+ (provisional)

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    Frankel still well clear.
    Not over 12f, surely.

    And I'd be with suny, Timeform are losing the plot. Enable is a dream filly, but this rating is disrespectful to the likes of Treve and Zarkava.
    Last edited by Grey; 4th October 2017 at 9:47 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sunybay View Post
    timeform lost plot long time ago

    the problem with enable on 134

    is that you have to go

    Cloth The stars 133
    order 128 in 12f
    iquitos 125
    winter 122 on 12 f
    one foot in heave 124
    Doha dream 124


    nothing more need to be said

    They've said this: . Her performance was every bit as striking as Treve’s first success as a three-year-old in 2013, and she is now Timeform rated 134 from 130p. Cloth of Stars (132 from 125) ran a massive career best to chase Enable home, having to pick his way through but unable to land any sort of blow on the winner once he got into the clear, while Ulysses – behind Enable in the King George earlier in the season – ran to his top-class best once again in third (remains rated 130)


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    I cannot have Ulysees running to his best. I'd have him on 128 for his Juddmonte - 126 for Sunday. Which puts Enable on 130.

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    I might not agree with Suny's poliitcs but I'll take his ratings over Timeform's.
    ROLL ON THE RESISTANCE !!!

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