Page 48 of 59 FirstFirst ... 38434445464748495051525358 ... LastLast
Results 941 to 960 of 1167

Thread: 2018 Gold Cuppin'

  1. #941
    Senior Member Frankel's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2014
    Posts
    4,766
    Thanks
    77
    Thanked 175 Times in 161 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by Danny View Post
    I don't buy this idling talk its strange how he only idles at the end of the race after pulling away from them on the front end for the rest of the straight.

    Whatever way you look at it winning a handicap by a neck off 147 does certainly not justify such a short price for a Gold Cup.
    The trip is not a given for me.

    Hopefully Duke will put in a good round of jumping.
    All comers, all grounds, all beaten!

    This perfect mix of poetry and destruction.

  2. #942
    Senior Member Grasshopper's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Posts
    16,018
    Thanks
    1,467
    Thanked 1,553 Times in 1,112 Posts
    Blog Entries
    3
    Disagree.

    It didn’t fall into Top Notch’s lap, and it is very dangerous to under-estimate the winner.
    "Beat the price and lose. It's what we do".

    SlimChance, March 2018

  3. #943
    Senior Member Grasshopper's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Posts
    16,018
    Thanks
    1,467
    Thanked 1,553 Times in 1,112 Posts
    Blog Entries
    3
    Quote Originally Posted by Danny View Post
    I don't buy this idling talk its strange how he only idles at the end of the race after pulling away from them on the front end for the rest of the straight.

    Whatever way you look at it winning a handicap by a neck off 147 does certainly not justify such a short price for a Gold Cup.
    Where else in a race would you expect a horse to idle exactly?
    "Beat the price and lose. It's what we do".

    SlimChance, March 2018

  4. #944
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Posts
    5,458
    Thanks
    29
    Thanked 68 Times in 41 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by Grasshopper View Post
    Disagree.

    It didn’t fall into Top Notch’s lap, and it is very dangerous to under-estimate the winner.
    I tend to agree - the issue with Waiting Patiently is the festival ground - Hughes suggested that soft heavy in places was as dry as he wants it !

  5. #945
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Posts
    5,458
    Thanks
    29
    Thanked 68 Times in 41 Posts
    The only thing I would say is Top Notch was beaten surprisingly early.

  6. #946
    Senior Member Tanlic's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    Bangkok Thailand
    Posts
    11,099
    Thanks
    349
    Thanked 766 Times in 655 Posts
    Blog Entries
    1
    Harry Cobden having visited the yard warned us about mid week about writing Cue Card off saying he was in fantastic form so taking this foirm lightly may be foolish.

    Waiting Patiently is probably the a fastest improving chaser in training. They left Frodon 15 lengths and in his current form takes some doing.

    Even if my little buddy Top Notch had run his best race he may well have struggled to beat ahorse who was ridden once again to beat what was in front of him

    One shouldn't lose sight of that fact and working out just how good he actually is is not easy
    Formely Fist of Fury

  7. #947
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Posts
    5,458
    Thanks
    29
    Thanked 68 Times in 41 Posts
    The ease with which he dismissed Politologue last January is not to be forgotten.

  8. #948
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Posts
    5,458
    Thanks
    29
    Thanked 68 Times in 41 Posts
    I suspect Cobden less than happy to be claimed to ride Cliffs of Dover !

  9. #949
    Senior Member Frankel's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2014
    Posts
    4,766
    Thanks
    77
    Thanked 175 Times in 161 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by Desert Orchid View Post
    Waiting Patiently is clearly very good but that race fell into his lap.
    You'll change your mind me thinks.
    All comers, all grounds, all beaten!

    This perfect mix of poetry and destruction.

  10. #950
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2013
    Posts
    1,272
    Thanks
    628
    Thanked 489 Times in 302 Posts
    I think it was a hell of a race. Pace kills and showed up a few I've been really keen on top notch for a while and he just couldn't live with that. Coney Island who has also been a joke of a price for a Gold Cup on the back of a graduation chase where he beat utter crap has too been found out.

    Waiting patiently looked the absolute nuts there although I'd somewhat agree with Dessie on it and you'd wonder id he's soft ground dependant but I can't argue with that form that was a proper race ! Loved it even though it was costly.

    Great to see Cue Card back on top of his game love the horse and to be fair I was saying they should retire him which hopefully they will at the end of the season but great performance.
    Last edited by Danny; 17th February 2018 at 5:39 PM.
    Man who catch fly with chopstick .... accomplish anything.

  11. #951
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Posts
    3,410
    Thanks
    600
    Thanked 581 Times in 486 Posts
    Great performance by Waiting Patiently but I reckon they’ll skip the festival with him. He wouldn’t be the first winner of this race to disappoint at Cheltenham anyway


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

  12. #952
    Senior Member Desert Orchid's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Posts
    23,659
    Thanks
    2,930
    Thanked 3,482 Times in 2,742 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by Frankel View Post
    You'll change your mind me thinks.
    I don't think so but I reserve the right to do so

    Seriously, though, they went ridiculously fast early. How far clear did Speredek go last time out against G1 opposition at Sandown over two miles? He couldn't get to the front here until after about a mile (I'll check the video later).

    Frodon and Cue Card went with the pace. Top Notch threatened to go with it but fortunately fluffed the first fence, sobering him up, and Jacob managed to get him under restraint. Frost was next to realise they were going too fast and managed to get Frodon to ease off a bit but by then the damage was already done. Frodon did well to get back into a good position late in the day. I think Brennan was wrong to keep chasing the pace and he did amazingly well still to be there at the end. If there is one horse to take from the race I'd suggest it's him but the race itself might leave its mark.

    Meanwhile the winner was anchored out the back. Hughes must have been thinking Christmas had come very early when he saw how fast they were going. Top Notch hit nearly every fence on the way round, which is so unlike him. They weren't shuddering mistakes but the cumulative effect would have been significant. I'm not suggesting they cost him the race as we won't know that unless he comes out and beats Waiting Patiently next time they meet.

    But WP was the only runner for whom everything went right.

    I really don't have anything against the horse. I recognised early in the season how highly thought of he must be. But I'm not going to kid myself that this form can be taken literally based on everything else running its race.

    All the above is based on my seeing the race only once, as it unfolded. I'll want to watch it a few times more to see if I change my mind.
    Last edited by Desert Orchid; 17th February 2018 at 6:07 PM.
    Illegitimi non carborundum


  13. #953
    Senior Member Tanlic's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    Bangkok Thailand
    Posts
    11,099
    Thanks
    349
    Thanked 766 Times in 655 Posts
    Blog Entries
    1
    Wrong post
    Last edited by Tanlic; 17th February 2018 at 6:21 PM.
    Formely Fist of Fury

  14. #954
    Senior Member Tanlic's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    Bangkok Thailand
    Posts
    11,099
    Thanks
    349
    Thanked 766 Times in 655 Posts
    Blog Entries
    1
    this forum has a glitch apologies
    Last edited by Tanlic; 17th February 2018 at 6:28 PM.
    Formely Fist of Fury

  15. #955
    Senior Member Tanlic's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    Bangkok Thailand
    Posts
    11,099
    Thanks
    349
    Thanked 766 Times in 655 Posts
    Blog Entries
    1
    Quote Originally Posted by Ardross View Post
    It was a Grade 1 they were at level weights.

    I wonder if they will skip the GC and go for the Ryanair with Cue Card.
    Very hard to resist when you are so close to the horse those rose colored glasses have you thinking all sorts of things.........I hope they give it another go he deserves his chance and they'd surely be too quick for him these days in the Ryanair?
    Formely Fist of Fury

  16. #956
    Senior Member Grasshopper's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Posts
    16,018
    Thanks
    1,467
    Thanked 1,553 Times in 1,112 Posts
    Blog Entries
    3
    Quote Originally Posted by Desert Orchid View Post
    I don't think so but I reserve the right to do so

    Seriously, though, they went ridiculously fast early. How far clear did Speredek go last time out against G1 opposition at Sandown over two miles? He couldn't get to the front here until after about a mile (I'll check the video later).

    Frodon and Cue Card went with the pace. Top Notch threatened to go with it but fortunately fluffed the first fence, sobering him up, and Jacob managed to get him under restraint. Frost was next to realise they were going too fast and managed to get Frodon to ease off a bit but by then the damage was already done. Frodon did well to get back into a good position late in the day. I think Brennan was wrong to keep chasing the pace and he did amazingly well still to be there at the end. If there is one horse to take from the race I'd suggest it's him but the race itself might leave its mark.

    Meanwhile the winner was anchored out the back. Hughes must have been thinking Christmas had come very early when he saw how fast they were going. Top Notch hit nearly every fence on the way round, which is so unlike him. They weren't shuddering mistakes but the cumulative effect would have been significant. I'm not suggesting they cost him the race as we won't know that unless he comes out and beats Waiting Patiently next time they meet.

    But WP was the only runner for whom everything went right.

    I really don't have anything against the horse. I recognised early in the season how highly thought of he must be. But I'm not going to kid myself that this form can be taken literally based on everything else running its race.

    All the above is based on my seeing the race only once, as it unfolded. I'll want to watch it a few times more to see if I change my mind.
    Cue Card the horse to take out of the race? You’re having a laugh, DO.

    Waiting Patiently won that race fair-and-square.

    This is Cue Card’s minimum trip these days, and he therefore wanted/needed to go hard at it from the off. If the race was run to suit any horse, it was Cue Card, who got a ride from Brennan that absolutely maximised his chances of winning......and he was still comfortably beaten by a horse who effectively cantered all over him, and who would have won even further if the pace had been slacker, because he has a turn-of-foot that Cue Card no longer possesses.

    The only horse to take out of the race is the winner. Suggesting otherwise is pure sentimentality.
    Last edited by Grasshopper; 17th February 2018 at 6:34 PM.
    "Beat the price and lose. It's what we do".

    SlimChance, March 2018

  17. #957
    Senior Member Desert Orchid's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Posts
    23,659
    Thanks
    2,930
    Thanked 3,482 Times in 2,742 Posts
    No, I've never been sentimental about Cue Card. I've rarely backed him.

    I'm just saying what I'm seeing.

    I will be very interested to see if Simon Rowlands does a sectional debrief on today's racing (don't think he will) as I'd expect to see a closing sectional somewhere in the low 90% range.
    Illegitimi non carborundum


  18. #958
    Senior Member Frankel's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2014
    Posts
    4,766
    Thanks
    77
    Thanked 175 Times in 161 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by Desert Orchid View Post
    I don't think so but I reserve the right to do so

    Seriously, though, they went ridiculously fast early. How far clear did Speredek go last time out against G1 opposition at Sandown over two miles? He couldn't get to the front here until after about a mile (I'll check the video later).

    Frodon and Cue Card went with the pace. Top Notch threatened to go with it but fortunately fluffed the first fence, sobering him up, and Jacob managed to get him under restraint. Frost was next to realise they were going too fast and managed to get Frodon to ease off a bit but by then the damage was already done. Frodon did well to get back into a good position late in the day. I think Brennan was wrong to keep chasing the pace and he did amazingly well still to be there at the end. If there is one horse to take from the race I'd suggest it's him but the race itself might leave its mark.

    Meanwhile the winner was anchored out the back. Hughes must have been thinking Christmas had come very early when he saw how fast they were going. Top Notch hit nearly every fence on the way round, which is so unlike him. They weren't shuddering mistakes but the cumulative effect would have been significant. I'm not suggesting they cost him the race as we won't know that unless he comes out and beats Waiting Patiently next time they meet.

    But WP was the only runner for whom everything went right.

    I really don't have anything against the horse. I recognised early in the season how highly thought of he must be. But I'm not going to kid myself that this form can be taken literally based on everything else running its race.

    All the above is based on my seeing the race only once, as it unfolded. I'll want to watch it a few times more to see if I change my mind.
    The assumption is to think one ridden off the pace off a decent clip has picked up the pieces. This is not the case in this instance. He has done it easily and was in front soon enough.

    Fantastic run from Cue Card and Paddy gave him a decent ride.
    All comers, all grounds, all beaten!

    This perfect mix of poetry and destruction.

  19. #959
    Senior Member Frankel's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2014
    Posts
    4,766
    Thanks
    77
    Thanked 175 Times in 161 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by Desert Orchid View Post
    I'll want to watch it a few times more to see if I change my mind.
    Please do
    All comers, all grounds, all beaten!

    This perfect mix of poetry and destruction.

  20. #960
    Senior Member Euronymous's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Location
    Leyland
    Posts
    18,859
    Thanks
    336
    Thanked 833 Times in 691 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by Ardross View Post
    The only thing I would say is Top Notch was beaten surprisingly early.
    Clearly not his running. East to forgive him with Cheltenham in mind.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •