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    Would someone post today's RP antepost cheltenam picks??

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    Laurina
    Racing Post Arkle Chase
    25-1 with Paddy Power
    Laurina was without a doubt the most impressive winner at the festival. She has speed to burn, boasts an electric turn of foot and the sky is the limit for Willie Mullins' mare. She has been introduced in the Champion and Mares' Hurdle markets for next season but it might be worth taking a punt that this big scopey five-year-old will be sent chasing. She has a huge stride, which will hold her in really good stead, and she could make a mockery of Paddy Power's 25-1 about her being the star turn in next year's Racing Post Arkle.
    Tom Park

    Samcro
    Racing Post Arkle
    10-1 with Paddy Power
    There’s a doubt over whether Samcro will go chasing as connections must be tempted by the Champion Hurdle, but Gordon Elliott has been saying for some time that his Irish point winner will be better over fences and that’s an exciting prospect, given how good he is over hurdles.

    If he does go chasing the Racing Post Arkle will surely be the aim. There’s no way Elliott is going to risk bottoming out his superstar over three miles in the RSA and the JLT doesn’t carry the same prestige as the Arkle. He won’t be anywhere near 10-1 if he is sent that way.
    Graeme Rodway

    Next Destination
    RSA Chase
    14-1 William Hill and bet365
    The 2m5f of the Ballymore Novices' Hurdle proved to be an inadequate test for Next Destination and he looks tailor-made for next year's RSA Chase. The Willie Mullins-trained six-year-old stayed on well for third behind Samcro in the Ballymore and, as a point winner, connections are unlikely to waste any time before sending him over fences next season. He certainly has the quality to go a long way (won a Grade 1 novice hurdle at Naas in January) and his proven festival form is a plus, with him finishing a good fourth in last year's Champion Bumper. It is possible he will again bump into Samcro, but the brilliant Ballymore winner has several options for next season, whereas the RSA would look the obvious target for Next Destination.
    Ben Hutton

    Topofthegame
    RSA Chase
    16-1 bet365 and William Hill
    This giant son of Flemensfirth has turned into a man over the last few weeks since his chasing career was put on hold after a Newbury fall in November. Formerly a big, soft baby, Topofthegame has now matured into a battle-hardened six-year-old who knows what the job is about. He needed to dig deep to win at Sandown and was heroic in defeat when going down by a neck in the Coral Cup off a mark of 150. Chasing will be his game next season and he is certainly in the right hands to progress into an RSA type. He will need that sort of trip so don't worry that he might go down the JLT route. He's a stayer and will need to avoid Samcro. He will now be rated in the high 150s and could soar even higher over fences next term.
    David Jennings

    Petit Mouchoir
    Champion Chase
    25-1 bet365
    The Ryanair might end up being the target for this tough gelding, who shapes as though he will stay, but he still looks the sort who could run a big race in this shorter contest – provided they get the tactics right on him. Connections have been determined for him to bowl along in front – and that backfired in the Racing Post Arkle last week, when he was invlolved in a set-to for the lead with Saint Calvados and succeeded only in setting it up for others. To his credit, Henry de Bromhead's seven-year-old saw off that fancied rival, although had nothing left before the last. He clearly has a huge engine but he will need to be ridden differently in a championship race when it's obvious there will be competition for the lead.
    Pietro Innocenzi

    Douvan
    Champion Chase
    14-1 Paddy Power
    If we saw a horse who is going to come back and win the same race for the next two or three years it was Penhill, but this far out I want a double-figure price to get involved and Douvan seriously impressed on his first run since last year's Champion Chase. He powered through the race under Patrick Mullins and looked his old, imposing self before falling four out. Altior looked beatable for a stride or two turning in and if it had been Douvan, with a full season under his belt, rather than Min duelling with the winner I could picture the outcome being different. Nicky Henderson did not rule out going up in trip with Altior after this year's race, whereas the Ryanair was considered for Douvan this year only because of his lack of preparation. He will be only a nine-year-old next year and, given the only potential dangers in Ireland are in the same yard, they are likely to be kept apart until the big day. He is all but certain to rack up a few bloodless victories en route to lining up this time next year considerably shorter.
    Stuart Riley

    Monalee
    Ryanair Chase
    14-1 Sky Bet
    Henry de Bromhead's gelding ran a cracking race to finish second to the super-impressive Presenting Percy – who is a live Gold Cup contender next season – in the RSA this year, but his form is arguably better over a shorter trip and the Ryanair could be a perfect target. He was keen throughout the Grade 1 contest under Noel Fehily, suggesting a stronger pace would suit, but quickened up well to clear away from his other rivals. He's a fantastic jumper, has speed in abundance and is seriously talented – three factors you need to win the Ryanair.

    Granted, Un De Sceaux wasn't at his best in this year's Ryanair, but I'd fancy Monalee to beat this year's winner Balko Des Flos over the trip nine times out of ten, especially with an extra year under his belt.
    Tom Collins

    Supasundae
    Stayers' Hurdle
    14-1 William Hill and Ladbrokes
    Supasundae is becoming a festival specialist and seems to be getting better with age. There is no other race for him to go for bar the Stayers' Hurdle again and he ran a cracker on ground way too soft this season. Yes, it was a silly race this year and yes Penhill is extremely good and will be hard to beat again, but on better going Supasundae will be a different horse and there is no way he'll be 14-1 if he turns up on normal Cheltenham ground.
    Tom Segal

    Presenting Percy
    Cheltenham Gold Cup
    7-1 Paddy Power
    Presenting Percy looked every inch a Gold Cup winner when romping away with the RSA by seven lengths. His combination of bold, accurate jumping, high cruising speed and stamina saw him slam Monalee and, as that was only his fifth run over fences, there is clearly plenty more improvement to come from the seven-year-old. Native River and Might Bite served up a treat in this year’s festival feature, but it looked an even more gruelling, brutal contest than usual in the conditions and both will need to be super-tough to reproduce that level of form next year. Several recent heroes – such as Long Run, Bobs Worth and Lord Windermere – did not produce their Gold Cup-winning form at Cheltenham again, while Coneygree and Sizing John have been plagued by physical problems. It is a race that can take an enormous amount out of a horse, and the young gun Presenting Percy is the one to profit.
    Richard Birch

    Balko Des Flos
    Cheltenham Gold Cup
    25-1 generally
    There aren't many horses who could do to Un De Sceaux what Balko Des Flos did in the Ryanair on Thursday and, other than Laurina who beat lesser rivals in the mares' novice, to these eyes his performance was the most impressive of the week. The seven-year-old would almost certainly be a good thing if lining up for the Ryanair again in 2019, but he finished ahead of plenty of strong stayers when second to Road To Respect in the Christmas Chase at Leopardstown and will surely be trying that trip again next season. Betting at this stages for races a year in advance is obviously bonkers and doubly so if you're going in at short odds, but this one is at least 25-1 and might have some mileage.
    Paul Kealy

    Santini
    RSA Chase
    16-1 generally
    I was tempted to take a flyer with Altior at 25-1 for the Gold Cup as Nicky Henderson’s chaser continually gives the impression he will stay further than two miles and the way he stormed up the hill last week increases the likelihood that he will be stepped up in distance as early as Aintree in the 2m4f Melling Chase. Should he win that Grade 1 looking strong at the finish, the King George may well be on Altior’s radar next season and the Kempton showpiece is a strong pointer to the Gold Cup. However, at this stage, the probability of him lining up in the Gold Cup is low. I’m expecting his stablemate Santini to improve markedly for fences and he looks fairly priced at 16-1 for the RSA Chase. He ran well in defeat in the Albert Bartlett and had Ballymore runner-up Black Op behind him when winning a Grade 2 at Cheltenham in January. This pointing graduate is held in high regard by Henderson and wants better ground than he has been running on this season.
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    I've done Monalee as well. Ryanair is the obvious race for him.

    Next Destination is interesting but not for the RSA (**** backing Mullins horses in chases at the Festival - what was his completion % this week?) No, he's more interesting for the Stayers.

    I've also backed Mengli Khan for the CH at 33s and Paloma Blue for the Arkle at 20s.

    Another one that took the eye was Apple's Shakira for the Mares at 12s. She stormed up the hill and a step up in trip would suit. That said I'd expect Laurina to end up here and so no bet.

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    Do they actually do a 12 month ante post preview?
    Some people say he’s the best since Arkle and that’s certainly true when you look at what he’s done

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    MK is a nice docket Euro.
    Some people say he’s the best since Arkle and that’s certainly true when you look at what he’s done

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    Thanks. Will probably not be a deep race again so there should be value out there.

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    About Laurina, connections (owner) would have a likely type in Stormy Ireland for that. Not to mention what else the stable has.

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    Skybet have a limit number of horses to win at the festival market

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    I think 14/1 Douvan for the Champion Chase could turn out to be amazing value for the Champion Chase. If we excuse his fall as being down to excess fizz after a long break, it could be that this potentially great horse is back in business. I've had a small cut at it.

    I thought Black Corton set too hot a pace in the RSA and Monalee did very well to finish as close as he did to Presenting Percy after trying to follow it. I'm not saying he would reverse form with PP if ridden differently, merely that his performance deserves to be marked up a point or two. The trouble is, though, I don't know which race he might go for next year.
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    Laurina Surely will go Champion Hurdle
    Racing Post Arkle Chase
    25-1 with Paddy Power
    Laurina was without a doubt the most impressive winner at the festival. She has speed to burn, boasts an electric turn of foot and the sky is the limit for Willie Mullins' mare. She has been introduced in the Champion and Mares' Hurdle markets for next season but it might be worth taking a punt that this big scopey five-year-old will be sent chasing. She has a huge stride, which will hold her in really good stead, and she could make a mockery of Paddy Power's 25-1 about her being the star turn in next year's Racing Post Arkle.
    Tom Park

    Samcro
    Racing Post Arkle (Can't see it his future looks over further)
    10-1 with Paddy Power
    There’s a doubt over whether Samcro will go chasing as connections must be tempted by the Champion Hurdle, but Gordon Elliott has been saying for some time that his Irish point winner will be better over fences and that’s an exciting prospect, given how good he is over hurdles.

    If he does go chasing the Racing Post Arkle will surely be the aim. There’s no way Elliott is going to risk bottoming out his superstar over three miles in the RSA and the JLT doesn’t carry the same prestige as the Arkle. He won’t be anywhere near 10-1 if he is sent that way.
    Graeme Rodway

    Next Destination (Gotta be joking..nowhere near good enough)
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    14-1 William Hill and bet365
    The 2m5f of the Ballymore Novices' Hurdle proved to be an inadequate test for Next Destination and he looks tailor-made for next year's RSA Chase. The Willie Mullins-trained six-year-old stayed on well for third behind Samcro in the Ballymore and, as a point winner, connections are unlikely to waste any time before sending him over fences next season. He certainly has the quality to go a long way (won a Grade 1 novice hurdle at Naas in January) and his proven festival form is a plus, with him finishing a good fourth in last year's Champion Bumper. It is possible he will again bump into Samcro, but the brilliant Ballymore winner has several options for next season, whereas the RSA would look the obvious target for Next Destination.
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    Topofthegame
    RSA Chase
    16-1 bet365 and William Hill
    This giant son of Flemensfirth has turned into a man over the last few weeks since his chasing career was put on hold after a Newbury fall in November. Formerly a big, soft baby, Topofthegame has now matured into a battle-hardened six-year-old who knows what the job is about. He needed to dig deep to win at Sandown and was heroic in defeat when going down by a neck in the Coral Cup off a mark of 150. Chasing will be his game next season and he is certainly in the right hands to progress into an RSA type. He will need that sort of trip so don't worry that he might go down the JLT route. He's a stayer and will need to avoid Samcro. He will now be rated in the high 150s and could soar even higher over fences next term.
    David Jennings

    Petit Mouchoir (Absolutely crazy got no chance)
    Champion Chase
    25-1 bet365
    The Ryanair might end up being the target for this tough gelding, who shapes as though he will stay, but he still looks the sort who could run a big race in this shorter contest – provided they get the tactics right on him. Connections have been determined for him to bowl along in front – and that backfired in the Racing Post Arkle last week, when he was invlolved in a set-to for the lead with Saint Calvados and succeeded only in setting it up for others. To his credit, Henry de Bromhead's seven-year-old saw off that fancied rival, although had nothing left before the last. He clearly has a huge engine but he will need to be ridden differently in a championship race when it's obvious there will be competition for the lead.
    Pietro Innocenzi

    Douvan
    Champion Chase (Very likely to go King George but could be dropped back but he could just as easy end up in the Gold Cup hence the crazy price)
    14-1 Paddy Power
    If we saw a horse who is going to come back and win the same race for the next two or three years it was Penhill, but this far out I want a double-figure price to get involved and Douvan seriously impressed on his first run since last year's Champion Chase. He powered through the race under Patrick Mullins and looked his old, imposing self before falling four out. Altior looked beatable for a stride or two turning in and if it had been Douvan, with a full season under his belt, rather than Min duelling with the winner I could picture the outcome being different. Nicky Henderson did not rule out going up in trip with Altior after this year's race, whereas the Ryanair was considered for Douvan this year only because of his lack of preparation. He will be only a nine-year-old next year and, given the only potential dangers in Ireland are in the same yard, they are likely to be kept apart until the big day. He is all but certain to rack up a few bloodless victories en route to lining up this time next year considerably shorter.
    Stuart Riley

    Monalee (He was exposed as simply not being that good gotta be better than him for this)
    Ryanair Chase
    14-1 Sky Bet
    Henry de Bromhead's gelding ran a cracking race to finish second to the super-impressive Presenting Percy – who is a live Gold Cup contender next season – in the RSA this year, but his form is arguably better over a shorter trip and the Ryanair could be a perfect target. He was keen throughout the Grade 1 contest under Noel Fehily, suggesting a stronger pace would suit, but quickened up well to clear away from his other rivals. He's a fantastic jumper, has speed in abundance and is seriously talented – three factors you need to win the Ryanair.

    Granted, Un De Sceaux wasn't at his best in this year's Ryanair, but I'd fancy Monalee to beat this year's winner Balko Des Flos over the trip nine times out of ten, especially with an extra year under his belt.
    Tom Collins

    Supasundae (Very possible)
    Stayers' Hurdle
    14-1 William Hill and Ladbrokes
    Supasundae is becoming a festival specialist and seems to be getting better with age. There is no other race for him to go for bar the Stayers' Hurdle again and he ran a cracker on ground way too soft this season. Yes, it was a silly race this year and yes Penhill is extremely good and will be hard to beat again, but on better going Supasundae will be a different horse and there is no way he'll be 14-1 if he turns up on normal Cheltenham ground.
    Tom Segal

    Presenting Percy (Good chance but very skinny odds for a current novice)
    Cheltenham Gold Cup
    7-1 Paddy Power
    Presenting Percy looked every inch a Gold Cup winner when romping away with the RSA by seven lengths. His combination of bold, accurate jumping, high cruising speed and stamina saw him slam Monalee and, as that was only his fifth run over fences, there is clearly plenty more improvement to come from the seven-year-old. Native River and Might Bite served up a treat in this year’s festival feature, but it looked an even more gruelling, brutal contest than usual in the conditions and both will need to be super-tough to reproduce that level of form next year. Several recent heroes – such as Long Run, Bobs Worth and Lord Windermere – did not produce their Gold Cup-winning form at Cheltenham again, while Coneygree and Sizing John have been plagued by physical problems. It is a race that can take an enormous amount out of a horse, and the young gun Presenting Percy is the one to profit.
    Richard Birch

    Balko Des Flos (He improved too much to believe..more down to UDS losing than him winning. Wouldn't have him on my mind for the GC)
    Cheltenham Gold Cup
    25-1 generally
    There aren't many horses who could do to Un De Sceaux what Balko Des Flos did in the Ryanair on Thursday and, other than Laurina who beat lesser rivals in the mares' novice, to these eyes his performance was the most impressive of the week. The seven-year-old would almost certainly be a good thing if lining up for the Ryanair again in 2019, but he finished ahead of plenty of strong stayers when second to Road To Respect in the Christmas Chase at Leopardstown and will surely be trying that trip again next season. Betting at this stages for races a year in advance is obviously bonkers and doubly so if you're going in at short odds, but this one is at least 25-1 and might have some mileage.
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    RSA Chase
    16-1 generally
    I was tempted to take a flyer with Altior at 25-1 for the Gold Cup as Nicky Henderson’s chaser continually gives the impression he will stay further than two miles and the way he stormed up the hill last week increases the likelihood that he will be stepped up in distance as early as Aintree in the 2m4f Melling Chase. Should he win that Grade 1 looking strong at the finish, the King George may well be on Altior’s radar next season and the Kempton showpiece is a strong pointer to the Gold Cup. However, at this stage, the probability of him lining up in the Gold Cup is low. I’m expecting his stablemate Santini to improve markedly for fences and he looks fairly priced at 16-1 for the RSA Chase. He ran well in defeat in the Albert Bartlett and had Ballymore runner-up Black Op behind him when winning a Grade 2 at Cheltenham in January. This pointing graduate is held in high regard by Henderson and wants better ground than he has been running on this season.
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    I wouldn't mind a bet that the best judges on here like Slim Chef Gigilo etc would have more success than those so called pros
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tanlic View Post
    I wouldn't mind a bet that the best judges on here like Slim Chef Gigilo etc would have more success than those so called pros
    I can almost hear the cogs in Rogers brain starting to turn. Come on DG could be an interesting compo.

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    What did you have in mind Brian ?

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    Wanna buy some WD40? might help get the cogs going
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    Markets very light at this stage Diamond...basically fishing at the moment...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tanlic View Post
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    Sounds like a title for a Movie - Can't help feeling you have left plenty of good judges out
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