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    From the Racingpost today...the top rated Irish chasers since 96/97 according to Racing Post ratings. Discuss

    1) Moscow Flyer 182
    2) Kicking King 177
    3) Life Of A Lord 175
    4) Beef Or Salmon 174
    Florida Pearl
    Imperial Call
    Commanche Court
    8) Klairon Davis 173
    War Of Attrition
    10) Newmill 172
    11) Dorans Pride 171
    Danoli
    13) Harbour Pilot 170
    Hedgehunter
    Rule Supreme
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    Life Of A lord is rated much higher than I would expect! :what:

    Florida Pearl should be rated third best behind Moscow Flyer & Kicking King IMO. I think Dorans Pride was superior to Commanche Court & Newmill. Imperial Call was unlucky with injury without that I think he could have been rated higher as well.

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    Life Of A Lord and Commanche Court are bizarre additions. Life Of A Lord did his in handicaps off big weights but CC's is based solely on his Gold Cup run. In the same league as Florida Pearl, Beef Or Salmon or Imperial Call...give me a break!

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    Commanche Court over-rated....must agree and proximity of Life of a Lord is unusual and shows the occasional flaws of such lists...many of those below never ran in a handicap

    I wonder when Rule Supreme is back.....

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    Moscow Flyer should have a '+' next to his name, because even when winning that Tingle Creek, he looked capable of running to an even higher mark, if it had been necessary.

    Always felt Kicking King was over-rated on the back of his first King George win, and wouldn't have him any higher than 172 myself.

    Life of a Lord's mark looks a nonsense to me, as does Commanche Court's. Both Danoli and Doran's Pride should be rated higher than either of that pair.

    Not convinced Nickname is worth 170. I'd have him about 166.

    Surprised Rince Ri and Alexander Banquet aren't on the list. Both were better horses than Commanche Court, imo.
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    I would rate Native Upmanship on a higher mark than many mentioned above.

    I doubt if Life of A Lord would get NU off the bridle over two and a half miles.
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    Seems a few people forgot about Life Of A Lord
    I could be the judge!

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    Good spot on Native Upmanship, Powerscourt...

    Shame the Ryanair came along a little too late for him

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    Agreed, he and Florida Pearl were by far my favourite Irish chasers in recent years

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    Originally posted by Grasshopper@Dec 24 2007, 10:23 AM
    Moscow Flyer should have a '+' next to his name, because even when winning that Tingle Creek, he looked capable of running to an even higher mark, if it had been necessary.

    Always felt Kicking King was over-rated on the back of his first King George win, and wouldn't have him any higher than 172 myself.


    Timeform have MF on 184+ but his proximity to Best Mate and KK (both 182) illustrates their renown bias towards the staying division.

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    Commanche Court had to be that high for them to justify Best Mate's rating.

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    Good point about the 2milers versus the 3 milers rating Euro.

    Gareth your spot on about Commanche Courts rating.

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    Moscow Flyer is 7lb or more superior to the rest.
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    I think CC, LoL and KK are all overated. FP and MF should be higher, but the lengths that the establishment and 'those that will not see' will go to protect the moderate Best Mate is laughable.
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    Moscow definitely deserves the + after his name. Newmills 172 is too high for me
    Some people say he’s the best since Arkle and that’s certainly true when you look at what he’s done

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    Mossbank is now officially rated 170 by the Irish handicapper. That’s the highest rating Florida Pearl ever achieved in Ireland and just 4lbs off Beef Or Salmon. Sounds much too high for a horse that could in the future hit such heights.

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    170. that really does sound rather high. he does have potential, but a 170 at this moment, i have my doubts
    Some people say he’s the best since Arkle and that’s certainly true when you look at what he’s done

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    A case study of how collateral form ratings can be distorted in slowly run races.

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    170 is absolute bollox. Even worse than the ratimg afforded to War of Attrition and that is highly dubious, just because he won the Gold Cup they wanted him ahead of Beef or Salmon despite the latters form being of higher standard.

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    where did you see he is a 170 now?

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