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    Quote Originally Posted by Bar the Bull View Post
    I must be blind. What pages?
    The story is prominent on both their websites, I don't have access here to the print versions.

    But strange to relate, especially since it's on their front page, there's nothing on the Examiner website.
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    Indeed. The jiggy statement is a nonsense.


    Actually it's a lot worse than that, it is a disgrace.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gareth Flynn View Post

    Finally: this Fenton case has apparently been ongoing for 2 years yet is only being reported now. Was there some sort of gagging order in place (surely not?) or are the Irish racing press incapable of committing journalism?
    Could have got lucky in the courts with a court reporter who didn't follow racing (though would need editors and sub-editors in this regard too). Worth noting that "horse trainer" for an occupation covers many aspects of equestrian sport.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gareth Flynn View Post
    Yes, Punchestown Bumper. He was accidentally given worming medicine meant for another horse, which didn't clear his system.

    How that happens to a horse who's just become a huge name by winning at Cheltenham by half the track baffles me, but there you go.
    Surely as horses need to be wormed regularly worming meds shouldn't be a banned substance?

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    Only when they have not cleared the system Aldaniti.
    All medicines have a with holding time before which you cannot race even vitamins in some cases. This is not necessarily written on data sheet of medicine so one has to refer to Turf Club rules. This used be the "8 day rule" in olden times.
    I imagine it is more like a 28 day rule now.
    Eddie O Leary has an old fashioned view of Department Vets.
    That a Dept Vet was the main source of steroids in racing stables adds to the irony of his statement.
    These days turf club vets inspect training yards more so than Deptartment Of Ag vets.

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    Sounds like a minefield!

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    Indeed it can be especially if a cattle vet like myself happens to treat a horse for such a stable !

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    Very interesting, Ed.

    The first two of the eight charges Fenton faces relate to alleged possession of Nitrotain, a paste which contains the anabolic steroid ethylestranol, and Ilium Stanabolic, which contains the anabolic steroid stanozolol. Is there a potentially innocent reason why a trainer would be in possession of these products?
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    There might be but I would not like to have them found in my medicines store.

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    Nitrotrain is the only anabolic steroid to improve peripheral blood flow, and is thus indicated in cases of laminitis, lower leg trauma or disease. No other anabolic steroid demonstrates this ability.

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    Am I right in assuming that this would be used in a non racing yard then?

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    Probably so Aldaniti.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamond Geezer View Post
    Eddie O'Leary, said
    " You could not meet a straighter, and more honest, fellow."
    That made me laugh

    Quote Originally Posted by Diamond Geezer View Post
    He said: "I'm sure he'll be fine. All this is bureaucracy gone mad, jobs for the boys. It's the department (of Agriculture, Food and the Marine) trying to make work for themselves by wanting proper labels on every single bottle in every single yard.

    "We spend whatever money on educating and qualifying vets, but the vast majority of department vets have no actual interest in being vets. All they want is to join the department and have a nice and easy nine-to-five job."
    Talk about shooting yourself in the foot. We need the Dept of Ag to be fighting for racing at the Cabinet table when the Minister for Finance dishes out the scraps.

    Quote Originally Posted by Diamond Geezer View Post
    The Tullow Tank's owner Barry Connell refused to be drawn on the Fenton case when contacted on Tuesday morning.

    He said: "I'm not going to discuss any of that. I have no comment to make."
    A considered, appropriate response showing a bit of cop

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    Gigi have their own issues with the HRI and probably didn't want to be seen as lightweights.

    They will look rather dim if Fenton is found guilty
    Some people say he’s the best since Arkle and that’s certainly true when you look at what he’s done

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    Quote Originally Posted by granger View Post
    Gigi have their own issues with the HRI and probably didn't want to be seen as lightweights.

    They will look rather dim if Fenton is found guilty

    They really have nailed their colours here, I might be naive but I'm really hoping for a good outcome from this. If he is found guilty harsh sanctions must be put in place but I hope it doesn't come to that


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bar the Bull View Post
    Very interesting, Ed.

    The first two of the eight charges Fenton faces relate to alleged possession of Nitrotain, a paste which contains the anabolic steroid ethylestranol, and Ilium Stanabolic, which contains the anabolic steroid stanozolol. Is there a potentially innocent reason why a trainer would be in possession of these products?
    Very good question

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aldaniti View Post
    Am I right in assuming that this would be used in a non racing yard then?
    The charge seems to be based on the illegality of possessing them in any context.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aldaniti View Post
    Nitrotrain is the only anabolic steroid to improve peripheral blood flow, and is thus indicated in cases of laminitis, lower leg trauma or disease. No other anabolic steroid demonstrates this ability.

    If that is the case then alarm bells would be ringing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gareth Flynn View Post
    The charge seems to be based on the illegality of possessing them in any context.
    This is a key point. The prosecution is not being taken by the racing authorities in respect of a breach of the rules of racing, it is a prosecution being taken by a government ministry for an alleged breach of the law.

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    When I googled nitrotrain I found that there were no European sites selling it, it was Australia, South Africa & the US, so perhaps its not meant to be used in the UK etc

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