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    Quote Originally Posted by SlimChance View Post
    Disspointing that no one took this one. No is the answer. I bet Paul Carberry wishes you could.
    Not even when passing the stands?

    Somewhere with enclosures both sides it must be difficult not to pick up some of the commentary. Away from the stands they clearly hear feck all.
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    Not with all the other noise around you (Im presuming its not Bazza and Sprinter Sacre we are talking about here - he probably can cos he can only hear one set of hooves around him!) Its suprisingly loud being in a group of horses galloping, added to the wind thats generated, and everythinhg else, Id be really suprised if they can hear clear commentry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EC1 View Post
    tbh..both these angles i looked at 20+ years ago..and yes they do give winners..but not profits.

    they aren't original by any means..one of the best races that highlighted it was the cesarewitch where i noted that Willie Carson did his minimum weight and won one year..so i followed it in other years only to note that many top jocks did their minimum weight on many losers

    many times jocks miss big meetings to go and ride at far flung evening meetings..and lose on their only mount

    he needs to be more original than this..its like telling someone that a certain horse is today's furthest traveller..everyone remembers when they win..but forgets those that lose

    the furthest traveller angle looks logical..especially when the race targetted is just a seller..again..yes some win..but they don't make profit
    So, are we to dismiss every angle you don't make a profit on?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HawkWing View Post
    By highlighting this, you seem to think you are proving your point of the incompetence of the tv production crew at cheltenham.

    When in fact, its perfectly plain that all producers of sports know what is important when televising the finishes of horse races. Its not rocket science.

    It was a decision they made not to show a possibly dead horse fall on repeat last week that you disagree with. So be it. Not that logic will sway you on this.

    It is noticeable how quick all commentators are to note that horses (in live races) are up and walking away after falls in the new look C4. I think its a clear focus from the new team.
    There should have been a shot available for them to use that showed more than Katenko and less than the possibly dead horse. Which has already been stated, but never mind.

    That isn't rocket science, it is quite logical (think about the majority of races at Cheltenham - are you looking back to the last fence on the run in shots?) and it most definitely is incompetence.

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    Jockeys often use the big screen as a visual aid even if they cannot hear commentary
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    Quote Originally Posted by HawkWing View Post
    By highlighting this, you seem to think you are proving your point of the incompetence of the tv production crew at cheltenham.
    Unlike you, I have no hidden agenda. Merely observing. When I watch racing in TV I want to to see the sport, not the indulgent whims of a tv director who appears not to understand what sport it.

    [QUOTE=HawkWing;506270]When in fact, its perfectly plain that all producers of sports know what is important when televising the finishes of horse races. Its not rocket science.[QUOTE]It's perfectly plain that not all producers of sports know what is important, otherwise we wouldn't get the poor coverage of some finishes or the departure from the head-on view of Bechers at the Aintree meetings.

    Quote Originally Posted by HawkWing View Post
    It was a decision they made not to show a possibly dead horse fall on repeat last week that you disagree with. So be it. Not that logic will sway you on this.
    How thick are you? I said I accepted that they woldn't want to show a stricken horse.

    Quote Originally Posted by HawkWing View Post
    It is noticeable how quick all commentators are to note that horses (in live races) are up and walking away after falls in the new look C4.
    ...and have been for many many years, not just in the new-look C4.
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    Quote Originally Posted by reet hard View Post
    So, are we to dismiss every angle you don't make a profit on?
    Mick Fitz's jockey angles are hardly astute (he dismissed the big Ffos Las winner as Choc Thornton wasn't riding, for example), and his lack of analysis to go with his C4 tips suggest strongly that they aren't even his selections. Is he still fronting up someone else's tipping service? Jim McGrath seems to get a bit miffed at Mick's approach which is to identify the favourite and tip it, mention that he also really likes the second favourite, and simply describe the silks of any other horse he's asked about. It makes Alan Shearer look a genius, and surely can't last.
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    I'd agree with much of that, Rory, but he does add the odd insight from the jockey's perspective, and it's often something that hasn't occurred to his 'more sophisticated counterparts'.
    The condescending Jim McGrath was quite taken aback when MG said yesterday "jockeys will often give a clue.to how they intend to ride the race by where they line up", but it's absolutely basic common sense, even though the illustrious JM had never considered it.
    Depends a great deal on whether your glass is half full, or half empty..

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    In defence of MF, I think it's fair to say he warned us on the ML that neither Oscara Dara nor Roberta Goldback would be winning yesterday, that connections were running them to get their marks back down a bit.

    Or at least that was how I interpreted his comments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Desert Orchid View Post
    In defence of MF, I think it's fair to say he warned us on the ML that neither Oscara Dara nor Roberta Goldback would be winning yesterday, that connections were running them to get their marks back down a bit.

    Or at least that was how I interpreted his comments.
    Oscara Dara was one of his two nominated bets - £50 win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gus View Post
    Oscara Dara was one of his two nominated bets - £50 win.
    Glad I missed that bit, then

    Given I've now had three wipe-outs in the last four Saturdays, obviously my interpretation skills are failing me
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    Quote Originally Posted by Desert Orchid View Post
    Unlike you, I have no hidden agenda
    Hidden agenda?

    Glad you can see that the decision was to avoid the stricken horse. Apologies, I missed that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rorydelargy View Post
    Mick Fitz's jockey angles are hardly astute (he dismissed the big Ffos Las winner as Choc Thornton wasn't riding, for example), and his lack of analysis to go with his C4 tips suggest strongly that they aren't even his selections. Is he still fronting up someone else's tipping service? Jim McGrath seems to get a bit miffed at Mick's approach which is to identify the favourite and tip it, mention that he also really likes the second favourite, and simply describe the silks of any other horse he's asked about. It makes Alan Shearer look a genius, and surely can't last.
    Whoever chose Fitzgerald for C4, knew what they were getting. He was hardly too good for ATR. Can only guess his Henderson connections were seen as important. Maybe the better than sex comment....certainly not for analysis.

    Have to say yesterday, coming down to the second last, Third Intention looked like vindicating John Francome's bullish opinion of the horse outlined pre-Feltham. Would like to have him still broadcasting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reet hard View Post
    So, are we to dismiss every angle you don't make a profit on?
    it wasn't ME..that couldn't make a profit yer dilly..the selections didn't show one..i followed all the big handicaps for a few years noting when a jockey rode at his minimum weight..THEY didn't show a profit.

    in fact f00k it..yes i'm a clueless dick that doesn't know the time of day..sorry for posting
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    thanks Slim and Trudij..always wondered about that
    Last edited by EC1; 3rd February 2013 at 2:54 PM.

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    I've probably looked at that no more than 20 - 30 times in the past. Those occasions will mainly have been during a 4 - 6 week period, which I think was after hearing someone on the TV waffling on about it's significance in the late 90's. Can't say I noticed anything, but at the same time I wouldn't call it a negative and is more than likely a very small positive. I just don't think it worth the hassle of looking, as it wouldn't influence my decision to bet or not.

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    "this might be a daft question..but anyway..can jockeys hear the racecourse commentary during the race?..so if the commentator said it was a steady pace they would know to move nearer to it etc?"

    I was wondering about that a few weeks ago, EC. I thought the noise of them galloping would probably muffle any audio around the stands, especially when they're on the far side. Don't know though, as I've never even ridden a horse, never mind being in a group of them, so not sure how noisy it is in there.

    Maybe when the commentator keeps mentioning a steady pace, he's backed a hold up performer.
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