Hendo and JP win their appeal
http://media.britishhorseracing.com/...nie_Appeal.pdf
Hendo and JP win their appeal
http://media.britishhorseracing.com/...nie_Appeal.pdf
In a Coral Cup 2lbs is a lot.Originally Posted by Diamond Geezer
As I write Unibet (who do the Henderson blog) the only ones to have shortened him up today.
Edit, should be her of course.
Last edited by Diamond Geezer; 24th February 2020 at 4:36 PM.
They will all cut her later. No one manages these markets properly. Front Row got put up 1lb today in Ireland and Coral/Ladbrokes finally realised pushing him to 25s for the Martin Pipe had been a bad idea.
Addendum: 'The Panel now have their collective conkers on the mare for the Coral Cup."
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Ladbrokes put her out to 20/1 earlier, then into 14/1 half hour later!
Solo 157
Goshen 151
Allmankind 148
Epatante 159
Cornerstone Lad 159
Pentland Hills 157
Solo 157
Ballyandy 155
No surprise seeing Cornerstone Lad rated so highly (in relation to the other runners). G1 winner etc, but has a CH field ever looked so bereft of quality on official ratings?
Official ratings are balls. The year BUV won his first CH Petit Mouchoir and Yanworth were rated 164. Nonsense.
I don't and never have taken OR's into account when betting in conditions races, flat or jumps. It's a crutch people use.
Thinking about that. I'm not sure I ever look at ratings in open races.
I think it's a mistake to be so dismissive of ORs.
I know how much time I spend over the years arriving at my own ratings and, while I have enough faith in them to back them, I'm not averse to checking what the official handicappers think. After all, they're professionals who probably spend at least eight hours a day checking the evidence and arriving at conclusions. I imagine if they weren't any good at their job they wouldn't last very long in it.
They're far from infallible otherwise you wouldn't get wide-margin winners of handicaps but I reckon on the whole they do a pretty good job.
I also often check RPRs although I find I'm less convinced by them. I seldom refer to Timeform. I've checked them occasionally down through the years and tend to find myself disappointed in them.
Still, I don't see anything wrong with having a second or third opinion and as I'm not in a position to study form in depth for myself at the moment I do find myself checking ORs and RPRs more often than I used to.
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an capall (25th February 2020)
You are an optimist
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If the Solo rating can be taken seriously he should be supplemented immediately for the Champion Hurdle. He would be getting a pound from Epatante, which would leave him just another pound to find to match her.
Can anyone recall a horse being given such a very high rating after just one run?
I would suggest it's misleading to interpret things as such, Grey.
He'd be getting weight for a reason - he's younger and less mature, or at least supposed to be, and she's getting weight because she's by nature physically weaker. The ratings scale already takes Solo's situation into account. When ratings are normally adjusted to 12-0, his would currently be adjusted to only 11-6 or so (not sure of the exact figure at this time of year). Epatante's rating though, is arrived at in open company so her allowance can be added on. So her 159 rating can be adjusted up to 166 therefore Solo would need to find 9lbs to get alongside her.
We get similar arguments every Flat season when the better 3yos take on the older horses. The weight-for-age scale hasn't been tweaked too much over a couple of hundred years because 3yos in general aren't as mature so need an allowance to allow them to be competitive.
Apologies of this comes across as patronising.
He already had a rating of 146 on his French form so it's not really "one run". With a change of stable, training regime and natural improvement, there's no reason why 157 should be out of the question.
Not a juveniles, but didn't Alderbrook win the Champion Hurdle on his second career run [over hurdles] in the Dovecote?
Last edited by Desert Orchid; 25th February 2020 at 8:14 PM.
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Maxbet (26th February 2020)
Royal Gait won it on his 4th start with an OR of 140. Four runs in just over 2 month's, Boxing day to Cheltenham 10th.
Last edited by Maxbet; 26th February 2020 at 9:00 AM.
I stand corrected, DO, the site I was looking at treated Solo's French form as non-existent. I see the British handicapper already had him rated 146 before his Kempton run, and has now pushed him up to 157. The RPR is a lot more conversative, and reasonable in my opinion, they give him 145 for the Adonis win.
True but he was an Ascot Gold Cup [disqualified] 'winner' and thre away the previous year's Cadran by swerving so he was a 120+ Flat horse.
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