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    Could be that he's rubbish from the front and from the back.

    Emma, what's your input?
    Ah! but a man's reach should exceed his grasp......

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    Not in my opinion Colin. As far as I'm concerned he's one of the best jockeys riding in the UK at the moment and I find the slagging he gets on the various forums rather tiresome.

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    Well to be honest, have you ever seen a race at that trip run at such a strong gallop, the horse looked like it was gonna collapse crossing the line.

    The fact is Spencer, is one of the worse champion jockey's there has ever been, and to be honest he rides like a 7lb claimer, no judge of pace whatsoever. A winter in America would do him the world of good.

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    Originally posted by an capall@Jun 29 2008, 04:31 PM
    Yes. I have an opinion on that one.
    I was watching TB so closely in the race and the re-runs, and then Curtain Call, I'm not sure if I really saw it or not - so I'd like to know if anyone else saw what I *think* I may have seen... It was very brief - and it's a genuine query AC! so I'd be grateful if you would deign to honour us with your opinion

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    A winter in America would do him the world of good.
    Last time he did that he came back and won the jockey's championship.

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    He needs another season then - bit like re-taking the driving test :P

    He doesn't use his brain enough and loses on far too many by giving horses much too much to do -
    and he keeps making the same mistake over and over, how so anyone can think he's 'one of the best' as opposed to 'potentially one of the best' escapes me. There is no doubt horses will "go for him", which makes his repeated showboating out the back all the more infuriating


    Thanks for the company today guys, really enjoyed watchign with you all
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    David, for one of the best riders around he does seem to get himself into some horrible positions.

    He is a top rider obviously and seems to have wonderful hands but all the slagging he gets just can't be down to people talking through their pockets.

    The number of mistakes he appeared to make when riding for Ballydoyle is well documented.

    I'm not sure if his problem is over-confidence or an occasional lack of confidence in his own decision-making.

    He sometimes gives the impression that he feels he always has something to prove.
    Ah! but a man's reach should exceed his grasp......

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    Now I have to admit I haven't actually seen the race yet, but from what I've read I'd like to ask Powerscourt and Gareth Flynn if they think that Hindu Kush was ridden to achieve the best possible position?
    Ah! but a man's reach should exceed his grasp......

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    Why me or Powerscourt? shrug::

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    Originally posted by Colin Phillips@Jun 29 2008, 06:43 PM
    Now I have to admit I haven't actually seen the race yet, but from what I've read I'd like to ask Powerscourt and Gareth Flynn if they think that Hindu Kush was ridden to achieve the best possible position?
    Jebus Colin, will you get off this hobby horse ~ Hindu Kush was a pacemaker. Using pacemakers is perfectly within the rules. The only issue is whether he materially interferes with the chances of another runner, which he didn't. Steering three wide off the bend to ensure a clear run for whomever is following is acceptable ~ Ryan Moore could easily have been there had he so wished.
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    Gareth, you and Powerscourt suggested that the horse had the credentials to be in the race to win and wasn't a pacemaker as such.

    Sorry, Rory, as you see I was responding to something that had been suggested in previous posts.

    I can't say I'm a fan of pacemakers, as so often they totally feck up on the job anyway, but I do have a bit of a problem with a stable going in mob-handed, as it were.
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    Gareth, you and Powerscourt suggested that the horse had the credentials to be in the race to win and wasn't a pacemaker as such.
    I suggested no such thing. I explicitly agreed with you that Hindu Kush didn't have the form to win.

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    My misinterpretation then, Gareth, please accept my profound apology. :shy:
    Ah! but a man's reach should exceed his grasp......

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    No probs.

    What I was trying to get at was that there's almost always an O'Brien longshot that runs well above his known form. To the names of Alexander of Hales (33/1), Scorpion (25/1), Tycoon (150/1), Roosevelt (150/1) and Sholokhov (200/1) can be added the name Bashkirov (150/1), although sadly not enough for e/w backers.

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    Originally posted by rorydelargy+Jun 29 2008, 07:08 PM-->
    QUOTE (rorydelargy @ Jun 29 2008, 07:08 PM)

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    Yeah, Murtagh saw Frozen Fire out the back and knew he should plough through the opposition...putting his mount and the other horses at risk and possibly killing his friends in the weight room.

    I am not usually one to rubbish someone's views but after reading this and some of the trash on TRF about Murtaghs ride I have to. If your suggesting Murtagh deliberately ran into the other horses then your talking absolute crap Merlin.

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    Harsh words, but fair comment; anyone who thinks that Murtagh deliberately steered AV to the left simply can't read a horserace, or doesn't understand that horses can become unsteerable as Alessandro Volta did today, for whatever reason.
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    As he did at Lingfield last day Rory.

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    Getting back to the racing, its begining to look as though a Ballydoyle 3 year old can not be assessed completely until after the Irish Classics. Its as if running at Newmarket and Epsom (though admittidly very important) is now been used as a real spring board for the rest of the season. Clearly they want to win those classics but as much emphasis is being put on them learning and developing from their runs.

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    The suggestion that Murtagh deliberately caused interference is absolutely ridiculous.

    I can't for the life of me understand how he escaped a ban, however.

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