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    Darley first out of the big two to list their fees for next year. Coolmore usually do it after the Breeders Cup meeting. Are Darley reasons for keeping the prices down fair enough or is it more to do with really putting the pressure on Coolmore?

    Darley holds down fees with prediction of soft sales market


    by Rachel Pagones

    DARLEY has set the stud fee for its newly retired Derby winner Authorized, who will stand at Dalham Hall Stud in Newmarket, at £25,000. Manduro, the world's top-ranked runner this season, and Teofilo, last year's European champion two-year-old,will stand for roughly the same price, €40,000, at Kildangan Stud in Ireland.

    Each of the trio of multiple Group 1 winners was purchased this summer by Sheikh Mohammed's breeding operation for an undisclosed sum in the multi-million pound range. Each represents the pinnacle of a generation. And at least two were expected to command higher fees in their first year at stud.

    However, Darley has initiated a policy of holding down the fees of its British and Irish stallions. The sole exception is ExceedAnd Excel, a son of Danehill whose first two runners in the southern hemisphere have been stakes winners.

    He will go from €10,000 at Kildangan Stud to £10,000 (about €14,000) at Dalham Hall.

    In a carefully worded rationale reminiscent of Sheikh Mohammed's hard-hitting Gimcrack speeches in 1997 and 2002, John Ferguson, the sheikh's bloodstock adviser, said on Sunday that the policy was intended to support a breeding business which is bound to suffer if the prize-money structure in Britain does not improve.

    He expressed “serious concern” the current situation would lead to “softer markets in the sales ring”.

    However, in contrast to Sheikh Mohammed's famed Gimcrack speech of ten years ago, in which he warned that the Maktoum family might withdraw from British racing if prize-money levels did not begin to improve, Ferguson said that Sheikh Mohammed would do all he could to help keep breeders, and the Darley stallion operation, in business against that eventuality.

    Darley's most expensive British or Irish stallion next year will be Cape Cross, whose fee remains at €50,000. But Singspiel, an elite stallion based on his record of eight per cent stakes winners to foals of racing age, and the sire of Group or Graded winners in Britain, Germany, Japan and the US this year, has had his fee slashed from £35,000 to £15,000.

    Also taking a big cut is Halling, down from £20,000 to £12,000, while at Kildangan Stud the Danehill stallion Tiger Hill drops from £25,000 to €20,000 (about £14,000) and Noverre, the sire of Saturday's Group 2 Challenge Stakes winner Miss Lucifer, loses a third of his fee, from €15,000 to €10,000.

    The fee for Red Ransom, who belongs to a syndicate and stood for £30,000 at Dalham Hall last season, has yet to be confirmed.

    Ferguson said: “The fact of the matter is that Sheikh Mohammed has spent a long time considering these fees, and feels very firmly that we all need to be looking long-term in this industry.

    “Darley is in the process of building something special with adesire to stand the world's best stallions, wherever they may be. He regards the breeding of racehorses as a partnership, and breeders have to have an opportunity to breed their mare at sensible fees in order that they may have a successful outcome, either in the sale ring or at the races.
    “There is no point having a top stallion operation if breeders are struggling and unable to invest in bloodstock and support your stallions in return.

    “The other thing that he's very aware of is thatthese stud fees are designed for 2008, and the majority will be sold at the yearling sales of 2010. With the current situation in English racing, one has to have serious concerns for levels of prize-money in the future, and one can only assume that an inevitable consequence of reduced reward on the racecourse will be softer markets in the sales ring.

    “Basically, Sheikh Mohammed feels very strongly that breeders and broodmare owners need to be given every chance to succeed, and Darley is doing all they can to accomplish that.”

    Asked for his response to the charge that Darley is undercutting smaller stallion operations who can't afford to lower fees, Ferguson said: “If we were to keep fees high in order to protect the stallion business, we would ultimately kill it. Too many broodmare owners would go out of business.”

    The organisation has been both heralded and criticised in the past for its ‘Darley deal', which allowed breeders to pay the stud fee upon selling the resulting foal, a concession smaller stallion owners couldn't finance. Ferguson suggested that idea has now been superseded.

    “These stud fees are the Darley deal,” he said.

    >>>Authorized and Manduro will swap places in 2009. The Derby winner will move to Kildangan Stud and this year's Prince of Wales's Stakes victor to Dalham Hall.
    Ferguson said the move was to accommodate breeders who preferred to keep their mares at home.

    Dalham Hall 2008 stud fees

    Sire-2007 fee-2008 fee
    Authorized £25,000 (2008)
    Shamardal €40000 £25,000
    Dubai Destination £20,000 £15,000
    Singspiel £35,000 £15,000
    Halling £20,000 £12,000
    Exceed And Excel €10,000 £10,000
    Librettist £10,000 £10,000
    Shirocco £10,000 £10,000
    Doyen £9,000 £7,000
    Tobougg £5,000 £5,000
    Byron €7000 £4,000
    Red Ransom £30,000 tba

    Kildangan 2008 stud fees

    Sire-2007 fee-2008 fee
    Cape Cross €50,000 €50,000
    Manduro €40,000 (2008)
    Teofilo €40,000 (2008)
    Dubawi £25,000 €40,000
    Refuse To Bend €20,000 €20,000
    Tiger Hill £25,000 €20,000
    King's Best €25,000 €15,000
    Iffraaj €12,000 €12,000
    Bertolini £8,000 €10,000
    Noverre €15,000 €10,000
    Kheleyf €5,000 €5,000

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    So with Authorized and Manduro on 25k/€40k, will Dylan Thomas be priced around the same?

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    Teofilo €40,000 (2008) a bit steep.
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    Are Shamardal and Dubawi swapping studs?

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    Originally posted by Gareth Flynn@Oct 22 2007, 09:42 AM
    So with Authorized and Manduro on 25k/€40k, will Dylan Thomas be priced around the same?
    I would think DT will be higher possibly €60k plus .... especially if he wins the Breeders Cup, a race, which has never been won by an Arc winner.

    I think GW was €60k if I am not mistaken.
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    Originally posted by Gareth Flynn@Oct 22 2007, 03:48 PM
    Are Shamardal and Dubawi swapping studs?
    Yes...Exceed & Excel, Byron and Bertolini are also to move from their 07 studs. There's no mention of Diktat here...he was at Dalham Hall last year, anyone know what the story is there?

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    According to their website Diktat is still there. He just was not mentioned above.

    Lots of reading here about the Darley horses.

    http://www.racingpost.co.uk/images/graphic...ey_souvenir.pdf
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    Originally posted by vixen@Oct 22 2007, 04:34 PM
    There's no mention of Diktat here...he was at Dalham Hall last year, anyone know what the story is there?
    DIKTAT is bombing fast - doubt he'll be anywhere in the UK for much longer...
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    Diktat was in Dalham Hall at weekend, and is supposed to stay for 2008. Why not?
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    Just that the supposed "full list of fees" on the Darley web site doesn't include him...perhaps just an oversight by someone. Also, when the announcement was made about Piccolo moving to Lanwades, it was stated that he would be the only representative of the In Reality sire line in Newmarket, whereas Diktat is from that line too. I was wondering whether a decision to move him had alrady been made. No doubt all will become clear in the fullness of time! Darley didn't seem to support him at the sales as much this year as they did in 2006, anyway. He's had a good year on the track winners-wise: about 70 or so winners and over £1m prize money, which isn't bad.

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    Their 2008 brochure is available to order on the website. I've had it in the past and it's well worth getting; full of information and some stunning photos.

    http://www.darley.co.uk/request_media_pack...%20Media%20Pack
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    Will be interested to see if Diktat's missing from this list of fees because he is going elsewhere or because his fee remains unchanged.

    He is included in the 2008 brochure and their byline for him is that few stallions have had as many winners in 2007 as he has had. They also claim that his best yearlings yet are in 2007.

    We've never used him but he is a favourite. Stunning looks and good temperament. I do wonder if his size puts off some flat breeders? He does fine though with what he covers, but looks like he would make a cracking NH sire!

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    In the US, Darley go:

    Street Sense $75,000
    Hard Spun $50,000
    Discreet Cat $30,000

    No plans announced for Any Given Saturday - wonder if they're thinking of keeping him in training?

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    AGS stays in training - they'll need a dirt horse for the World Cup.
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    Echo Of Light is also set to join Darley's stallion roster for next year, at a fee of £5000.
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    According to the RP site yesterday, Diktat is to stand in Japan next year along with Xaar and, I think, Storming Home.

    Sorry if this has been posted elsewhere - I couldn't log into TH last night

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    Aha, mystery solved, thanks for that. I'd spotted that Storming Home was missing from the Shadwell roster and their web site too - that explains it.

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