Results 1 to 13 of 13

Thread: Breeders Cup Mess Up

  1. #1
    Super Moderator Irish Stamp's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2004
    Location
    Brighton
    Posts
    8,583
    Thanks
    5
    Thanked 389 Times in 162 Posts
    Posted by Kennedy over at TB Champions

    Half of each Breeders' Cup field is supposed to be determined by WAYI berths and graded stakes points. In the case of the new Juvenile Turf, the criteria might as well have been the number of unicorn horns on each colt's forehead: There wasn't a single Win-And-You're-In prep, and there hasn't been a single U.S. graded stakes race for 2-year-olds on the grass this year.

    All of which makes the exclusion of Globetrotter from the body of the race, and his relegation to the #3 spot on the AE list, look like a whopper of a bad decision by the BC Selection Committee. Globetrotter, a 2-year-old Street cry colt owned by Earle Mack and trained by Graham Motion, is 2 for 2 and won the Grey Stakes at Woodbine, a Group 3 race under Canada's conservative grading system, in his second start. His earnings of $182,775 are the fourth highest among the 23 pre-entrants for the race and he is one of only five entrants with a graded or group stakes victory of any kind.

    Yet he has been ranked 15th in a field that will be limited to 12.

    The fact that there is not a single graded stakes on grass in the United States before the BC Juvenile Turf is one reason why the Breeders' Cup overstepped, and was properly rebuffed by the American Graded Stakes Committee, when it demanded the race be given Grade 1 status for its inaugural running. It's also the reason that Globetrotter, like race favorite Prussian, was sent to Canada to win a graded/group stakes. So he wins it, but then is ranked below five horses who have won nothing more than a maiden race.

    Six of the 12 Juvenile Turf berths were supposed to go to either WAYI winners or graded-stakes points leaders. But there were no WAYI slots, and the only way to earn graded-stakes points was to run in main-track races. So a horse such as Preachin Man, who has never tried grass or gone beyond six furlongs, but was second in the Sapling on dirt, automatically got in; but Globetrotter needs three defections to get into a race for which he is eminently qualified. He's even ranked behind Your Round, who finished third in a G3 Canadian race (to Prussian) and then fourth in an ungraded stakes at Keeneland. It ain't right.

    Selection order
    Achill Island (IRE)
    Cherokee Triangle
    Domestic Fund (IRE)
    Gio Ponti
    Ibn Khaldun
    Nownownow
    Old Man Buck
    Preachin Man
    Prussian
    Strike the Deal
    Texas Fever
    The Leopard

    Not selected into the field and listed in order of preference by the Breeders' Cup Racing Directors/Secretaries Panel:

    Shore Do
    Your Round
    Globetrotter
    Annie Skates
    Moral Compass
    Cowboy Cal
    Why Tonto
    Horse Doctor
    Cannonball
    Overextended
    Austintatious


    One hell of a mess up from the Breeders Cup - think not letting Rio De La Plata run in the Dewhurst for an equivalent.
    Hurricane Fly - whatever he runs in he wins

    Twitter: @Quevega

  2. #2
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Posts
    3,731
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
    How frustrating for connections - and what a major nonsense.
    Their criteria need a major shakeup already!
    Thanks for posing that IS, will make watching the race, erm, interesting :suspect:

  3. #3
    Super Moderator Irish Stamp's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2004
    Location
    Brighton
    Posts
    8,583
    Thanks
    5
    Thanked 389 Times in 162 Posts
    We have Ibn Khaldun as good as out so only need another couple to come out for him to get in. He should have been a certainty for the line up - first on the start sheet
    Hurricane Fly - whatever he runs in he wins

    Twitter: @Quevega

  4. #4
    Senior Member Harbinger's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2004
    Posts
    11,282
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
    Turns out it wasn't such a mess up as all as

    a) Enough horses pulled out to allow the third last on the alternate list, Cannonball, to get in

    and

    b) Connections didn't want to run Globetrotter anyway

  5. #5
    Senior Member Powerscourt's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Location
    USA
    Posts
    765
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
    Breeders Cup Juvenile Turf winner Nownownow to join Wachman.


    From The Thoroughbredtimes

    Breeders’ Cup Juvenile Turf winner Nownownow will continue his racing career in Europe, and the three-year-old Whywhywhy colt will be trained in Ireland by David Wachman.

    Nownownow likely will be shipped in March to Wachman’s base in County Tipperary, Racing Post reported.

    Bookmaker William Hill has listed Nownownow as 33-to-1 for the Two Thousand Guineas (Eng-G1) and 40-to-1 for the Epsom Derby (Eng-G1).

    A homebred of Fabien Ouaki’s Fab Oak Stable, Nownownow made his first five starts for trainer Patrick Biancone. He won the inaugural Breeders’ Cup Juvenile Turf by a half-length on yielding turf on October 26 at Monmouth Park for trainer Francois Parisel.

    Parisel took over Biancone’s Breeders’ Cup contingent after the embattled French trainer agreed to a six-month suspension and an additional six months away from training for possession of Alpha-Cobratoxin, snake venom that can be used as a painkiller. Biancone's suspension began November 1.

    Nownownow entered the Breeders’ Cup Juvenile Turf off a runner-up finish in the Woodford Reserve Bourbon Stakes on October 7 at Keeneland Race Course. He closed his two-year-old campaign with two wins and three runner-up finishes in six starts and earnings of $641,950.

    Kentucky-bred Nownownow is out of the winning Exit to Nowhere mare Here and Now (Fr).
    2212-6113-12521D3304-5421 Stud

    Like many of the very best ten-furlong horses, Powerscourt has that ability to quicken. He's a very tough and genuine horse and was a joy to train."—Aidan O'Brien


  6. #6
    Senior Member betsmate's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Posts
    5,752
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
    Interesting, particularly because that is a Magnier horse that he is just touching off in the photo above.
    Winners have no shame, no matter how they win - Niccolò Machiavelli

  7. #7
    Super Moderator
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Posts
    5,377
    Thanks
    10
    Thanked 8 Times in 7 Posts
    Is he still in the same ownership?

  8. #8
    Senior Member Powerscourt's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Location
    USA
    Posts
    765
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
    Nownownow has been transfered from Wachman and will continue his career in California. More oppertunity for him there.
    2212-6113-12521D3304-5421 Stud

    Like many of the very best ten-furlong horses, Powerscourt has that ability to quicken. He's a very tough and genuine horse and was a joy to train."—Aidan O'Brien


  9. #9
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    May 2003
    Location
    Ireland
    Posts
    14,178
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
    In other words…try and find some weaker races!!

  10. #10
    Senior Member Powerscourt's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Location
    USA
    Posts
    765
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
    Exactly

    In hindsight it probably was not a good idea to move the horse to Ireland and in his only run take on the likes of Henry and NA. He was probably on the first plane out after that race.

    He might be a horse for the Secretariat on Arlington Million day.
    2212-6113-12521D3304-5421 Stud

    Like many of the very best ten-furlong horses, Powerscourt has that ability to quicken. He's a very tough and genuine horse and was a joy to train."—Aidan O'Brien


  11. #11
    Super Moderator Irish Stamp's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2004
    Location
    Brighton
    Posts
    8,583
    Thanks
    5
    Thanked 389 Times in 162 Posts
    Pointless keeping him here unless he was the best 3yo. More prize money, more Grade 1´s and easier racing in the US.
    Hurricane Fly - whatever he runs in he wins

    Twitter: @Quevega

  12. #12
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    May 2003
    Location
    Ireland
    Posts
    14,178
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Irish Stamp View Post
    Pointless keeping him here unless he was the best 3yo. More prize money, more Grade 1´s and easier racing in the US.
    I would imagine he was sent over here to try and make him a stallion prospect on turf. Horse was not close to being anywhere near the best here...highlighted by Achill Islands runs here.

  13. #13
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    May 2003
    Location
    Waterford
    Posts
    8,252
    Thanks
    264
    Thanked 317 Times in 251 Posts
    Just won a Grade 2 at Santa Anita.The former John Best horse Square Eddie finished 2nd in the previous race.

Similar Threads

  1. TTF opening day mess up
    By SteveM in forum General Racing Topics
    Replies: 4
    Last Post: 5th May 2014, 8:01 PM
  2. Breeders Cup
    By sunybay in forum General Racing Topics
    Replies: 82
    Last Post: 3rd November 2013, 7:32 PM
  3. The Breeders Cup
    By Guest_ in forum General Racing Topics
    Replies: 5
    Last Post: 16th June 2008, 10:27 PM
  4. They Don't Mess About On Trf
    By Merlin the Magician in forum Chit Chat
    Replies: 84
    Last Post: 3rd March 2005, 4:28 PM
  5. Never Mess With A Scouse Girl
    By David Kelly in forum Chit Chat
    Replies: 10
    Last Post: 14th January 2005, 12:22 AM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •