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    Some mistake surely. Nice bismarking from Dennis there.

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    I agree
    He won very well but the form does not look good enough to make him shorter than horses like Rio de La Plata.

    Myboycharlie has posted a better effort than this in the Morny and horses like New Approach ,Great Barrier Reef or Famous Name look more interesting for me than Ravens Pass.

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    Yep. I don`t watch the morning line anymore, but i`d be interested to know what reasoning Barry Dennis gave for his opposition.

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    Raven's Pass very impressive.

    That wasn't barrys mismarck however, it was Bauer who was punted off the boards and also slooshed up.

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    Guineas favourite might be a bit premature but that was awesomely impressive. Clear in a matter of strides...interesting to hear what sort of time he posted.

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    Chris , did you know Ravens Pass was burning up the gallops? Gosden said the Raven had done a brilliant piece of work last week. He was sure he had improved again from his Ascot run.
    The thing about Ravens Pass is we know he will stay a mile and will go on G-F ground, which cannot be said about some of the other short priced Guineas contenders.

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    The time was just outside the all age record.

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    The way he suddenly quickened was surely the mark of real class...even if this was a substandard grp 3.

    Another big factor for me is that he is in the right hands...

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    even if this was a substandard grp 3

    what tells you it was substandard Clive?

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    Must have run to about 117 ish imo. Puts him right up there with the likes of Rio, Myboycharlie and New Approach I'd day.

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    The horse has a superb action, he made it look really easy which is partly why it was so impressive - he didn't look like it was taking anything out of him

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    I said "if" EC...

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    Originally posted by milo@Sep 1 2007, 02:42 PM
    Chris , did you know Ravens Pass was burning up the gallops? Gosden said the Raven had done a brilliant piece of work last week. He was sure he had improved again from his Ascot run.
    The thing about Ravens Pass is we know he will stay a mile and will go on G-F ground, which cannot be said about some of the other short priced Guineas contenders.
    Yes and backed him and laid Maze who won the worse ever Chesham.

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    Maze got very worked up today before the race and ran far too freely as well - he's better than that result and will improve as he gets experience I expect. But the winner was truly something special imo

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    I'm not usually easily impressed by much in racing anymore but that was out of the top drawer I'm sure. He was simply faultless and they couldnt tow him along for long enough.

    With regards Maze, he is built like a sprinter to me and ran like one today. I think he would benefit from dropping to 6f.

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    I rate him for todays performance something like 112p.

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    speed figure I get is 112 [no wfa added]

    if you would like to assume he will improve the average 2/3yo amount on the clock..then his projected mature potential is 129

    decent..only has to improve a stone or so on the clock before next year...

    it's the old 2yo thing...we now get to that point where we have to guess if the horse improves the average amount..or he is already mature?

    if he stays where he is maturity wise he's already run a mature Group 3/listed horse time..but if he did stay at that point then folk would be diasappointed next year because thats as good as he ever would be.

    it may be worth looking at the breeding to see the improvement potential from 2-3yo..to try and remove a little of the uncertainty

    only problem i have is that this race rarely throws up a top class one..although this did look special today

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    Somewhat against expectation, I haven't brought him out as being that fast either, although the card does appear to have had more than it's fair share of truly run races for a change, and this would impact upon on him. Also he wasn't necessarily asked to go through with a full run either, so I'd be inclined to think he'll improve about 4-5L's NTO, but then that requires everyone else to stand still.

    92.55++ FWIW

    It's certainly very good, but not the exceptional Teofilo type rating I was half expecting. I suspect the race was a weak renewal, indeed the first six in the nursey would all have beaten Maze (though that doesn't legislate for weight - I might work that out later)

    Minted = 100.35+
    Myboycharlie = 97.00++
    Sharp Nephew = 94.41
    Latin Lad = 94.31
    Kingsgate Native = 94.17? (Goodwood)
    Scintillo = 93.81
    Kingsgate Native = 93.35 (no wfa)
    Gothenburg = 92.64++
    New Approach = 92.72
    Ravens Pass = 92.55++
    Minted = 92.35 (Chantily)
    Myboycharlie = 92.00 (Deauville)
    Rio De Plata = 91.76? (Goodwood)
    Captain Gerrad = 91.67? (Goodwood)
    Winker Watson = 91.58
    Rio De La Plata = 90.55+
    Henrrythenavigator = 90.32p
    River Proud = 90.50
    Kingsgate Native = 89.83
    Chun Tosaigh = 89.50p
    Henrythenavigator = 89.40
    Captain Gerrad = 89.23
    HenrytheNavigator = 89.11
    Swiss Franc = 89.07
    Dark Angel = 88.57
    Luck Money = 88.32
    Maze = 88.25
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    on the contrary Warbler..a 112 is very decent at this time of year on my figures..equivalent to a mature 129/130 horse if average improvement was forthcoming

    he is the fastest 2yo I have clocked this year..haven't kept up to date though..so may have missed a fair few

    I'll check your list out and update

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    Interesting prospect and i think books have overreacted a tad in the Guineas market, but probably better to have in short than be caught with your trousers down


    FWIW - 114

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