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I dont know if the opinion is harsh Grass but in fairness to him considering he pulled up in the Hennessy his run in the Cotswolds was a decent effort. He travelled very well for a long way before...

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Henderson says a lot of things. Not all of them entirely accurate.

I think as well Grass that I'm only looking at it from a betting perspective for those of you and there seem a few who hold tickets at 10's and 8's you have a cracking bet and if he was that price...

Of course its left handed Grass so the fact I slipped the words Left handed in is an irrelevant point should have read, flat tracks. What I was trying to say is that Whisper has always run better...

Although I'd agree with what your saying to some extent in regards of 2 horses doing nothing wrong and everything going right for them you could take the other view that there have been plenty of...

Personally think its been the worst campaign ever should have been Cotswolds, Gold Cup then National.

Looked absolutely spent jumping the last at Haydock. Not a good prep for anything and a real...

Yeah and I suppose I'm only so harsh on his efforts today as I like to take on any hype horses and a 12/1 gold cup quote on the back of a 3 runner graduation chase was exactly that. Not the horses...

Twas me who said Coney Island had been found out. Far from being nonsense ..being 12/1 for this year's gold cup was nonsense. Horse gets exposed to a proper gallop yup took off his feet and the other...

I think it was a hell of a race. Pace kills and showed up a few I've been really keen on top notch for a while and he just couldn't live with that. Coney Island who has also been a joke of a price...

I don't buy this idling talk its strange how he only idles at the end of the race after pulling away from them on the front end for the rest of the straight.

Whatever way you look at it winning a...

Wasn't actually asking about the difference in the prices (not that i made that very clear) merely how a horse that has achieved what he has is so short in the betting ? It absolutley bemuses me. A...

Will someone explain to me how this market works. Total Recall 20/1 best price for the Gold Cup 14's in places.... I don't understand.

Granger your never ending love affair with the lesser spotted Disko has been one of my favourite things since joining Talking Horses but probably because it reminds me of similar instances with...

It could do Des but if your gauging it from the last 3.8F its not really telling you how much of that was the final half furlong which is what I'd be more interested in re- Whisper. I'm not...

Right After Twiston Davies said he wasn't giving up on the Gold cup dream haha.

I'd certainly go along with that as a fair reflection of the RSA Des.

True but Whispers wouldn't.

Might Bite is no doubt slowing down towards the end of the race you can take the view that he was either taking the **** and idling or that he was tiring. Without running sideways he would have won...

I would have to say I agree with some points from both sides. I have to admit that I was fairly impressed with Native River in the way he's done nothing wrong on Saturday and hasn't been pushed too...

No doubt DO that's just a fitness issue.

I'm just hoping they finally see common sense and let Cloudy dream go to the Ryan Air. Hope they haven't ruined him running him over too far purely on the...

Excellent analogy :lol:

Actually Des if your along those lines of thinking I've just had a look what the forecast would pay SDR to beat Native river on Bet365 is 7.6 so its a couple of extra...

I was actually thinking of playing the reverse forecast on SDR and NR. I'm fairly sure that Cloudy Dream just won't ever get 3 miles on testing ground and for the life of me I can't see why they are...

TBF Grass he has me bang to rights and if I were to form a club that would be a pretty fitting name. Talking horses PLC ( pick a loser club ). Glad he's banded me in with that pair of fine, young,...

Tbf I was already on that line of thinking Grass he sort of reminds me of my old man who is an alcoholic ( not to say Tan is) who on occasion spouts some embarrassing opinions and we (the rest of the...