Paying for tipsters

Hi Guys,

Dont know how you feel about tipsters out there that charge to give what they call is inside info or they have contacts in racing that know something. I have friends that have taken these out and they where emailing me all the selections of the past and after checking them as far as i am concerned they have sucked all these selections from nowhere or they just pick the fav without any studying or having any contacts of racing whatsoever. I mean i study the card or at least try to and my selections after studying come out much better than these tipsters that charge. Every day i get emails from betinfo24 where they encourage people to buy tipsters that are so called "GOOD" but after checking them out they are absolutely useless and just trying to get money out of people. I mean i study the card i am a tipster but i am more than happy to give this out for free or just my view on how I think and why my selections should win. I have seen guys on this forum that have tipped better than these so called "paying tipsters" that charge people for horses that are top of the bookies which any dumbo can do. Really all their selections are mainly fav, never have i seen 20/1 shots or even 10/1 shots been tipped. I have selected 22/1 shots not because of the price its just because i study a card of horses that have run to each other weights, going, distance, course specialist, jockey etc etc and combine these all together and narrow that down to get a selection. This is usually what a form studier does SURELY!!!!!!!!!!!!

Guys give me your opinion

Cheers

Paying for tips is not something I've ever considered doing in the 25 years I've been following racing. If you're that bad at selecting horses that you need to pay someone to do it for you, then you should just relax and watch the racing without betting!

Tipsters used to have a major customer base and bearing on the market.

Likes of The Winning Line, Rix, Isiris were well respected by punters and books alike.

All of that has changed now with the advent of social media so much so that every second non-entity just out of school is a tipster, analyst or journalist at the Racing Post.

As Slim says they’re invariably frauds, how many twitter followers you have does not translate into $$ for the “chosen” few.

As a teenager relatively new to the game, I used to get on my bike on the occasional Saturday morning and do the four-miles round trip to a wee newsagent at the other end of Clydebank where they sold those 'tips' sealed in crimped paper. It was usually a 'three-cross' for the Saturday (costing 25p at the time) and there was always a poster of some sort outside boasting about two or three winners the week before, but I don't recall ever getting a winner in any of the slips I bought. My father used to tell me I was wasting my money but he never went out of his way to stop me. He probably knew I'd get the message through losing, which I soon did.

People turn to tipsters because they can't pick winners themselves or because they're duped into thinking the tipster has genuine information others aren't privy to. That was certainly the case with me. I always knew picking horses from a paper like the Express (which was my father's paper of choice at the time before he, for some crazy reason, switched allegiances to the Mail) was a bit like pinsticking and I used to enjoy the challenge of getting into the bookies without being turfed out for being under-age and making sense of all the info in the Life or Chronicle. My father always said the Chronicle was the better paper.

Then when I went to Glasgow Uni, the Reading Room in the Men's Union had its own Life and Chronicle every day. I used to get into uni early and go up there to sit and work my way through both papers. That was when I developed my interest in studying the form much more deeply for myself, with some success.

However, I still found myself being seduced by tipsters' adverts in the racing papers. Characters like 'RJ Francis' and others who nearly all seemed to operate from the Portsmouth area boasted about contacts within some of the bigger stables. Their 'Saturday Letter' tended to be an essay arguing the case, with suggestions of inside information from the yards in question, about how each was working, but arriving at a one-horse selection. Occasionally they would 'throw in' a free selection for another race for a 'winning double'.

Again, they advertised loads of winners but the only one I ever recall was Windrush winning a big handicap hurdle for Josh Gifford. And I didn't back it! I think it was because it was only 4/1 or something in such a big race.

I would argue that people who subscribe to Timeform are subscribing to tipsters. They're effectively paying for other people's research, which is fine if you trust it. The brother buys their 50 to follow books ever season, Flat and Jumps. He has a very absorbent mind and will punt a lot of these horses when they appear but he doesn't care whether he wins or loses as he only punts a pound per bet. If we're discussing a race on the phone he'll say, 'that was a Timeform horse to follow the season before last', or some such like, and he'll remember what they said about it, although he tends to have the books to hand in his den and will refer to it straight away with the actual comment.

It's probably important to differentiate between people, like Timeform etc, who 'tip' on the basis of deep research, however flawed that research may or may not be, and total chancers who are no more than snake-oil vendors operating off the back of virtual carnival carts.

But each to their own.

My father never stopped me from throwing away my money!

I joined ISIRIS just before Kevin got his hoilday and the results were good however when he went on his "holiday" for the funny business with the Brazilian lady whoever he left in charge was DIRE, then everything turned to ****.

bets I remember

BOB THE BUILDER to be number 1 at Christmas, the 14/1 lasted about 10 minutes. Back then you rang up and Kevin told you how unlucky we were with our last bet, then gave the bet out, the price usally lasted about five minutes.

RED FEATHER in the 7.15pm at Haydock 6/1 >>> 7/2. I remember this one because I was winning a few quid that day and struck a ton on it at 6/1.

then they "branched out into the big brother bets. they gave CRAIG as the winner in the first one at 5/2. he won, a liverpool lad I think.

tons of losers but gamblers never remember them, no fun in losers.

No good stories ever began with "we backed a few losers then went for a few drinks" :(

If you all remember we had a tipster who was a member on here who is currently serving five years at Her Majesty’s pleasure.

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Originally Posted by jinnyj

If you all remember we had a tipster who was a member on here who is currently serving five years at Her Majesty’s pleasure.

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And his bullshit was lapped up. Where did those gallop reports come from?

Never very sure. He did have contacts but they certainly weren’t his own....the grammar was too good!

I did just wonder whether he would have been one of those released to reduce the spread of coronavirus in prisons.

Anyway as a reminder or in case anyone's wondering who it was

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/new...nters-16120587

The only selections I back other than my own are from my old man.
Ah I remember that case.
I'm quite fascinated by fraud cases like this.