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    Does anyone think we'll ever see a horse as top class as Denman running in the Hennessy in future?
    Some people say he’s the best since Arkle and that’s certainly true when you look at what he’s done

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    If Nicholls gets one yes.

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    Maybe one that goes on to stardom after winning the Hennessy but I doubt we'll see a horse giving virtually the entire field a stone plus, never mind winning it!

    Tizzard is refreshing in that he isn't scared of running em' so that's one possibility if that stable continues to be fed high quality animals.
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    Running off 174 - No.
    All comers, all grounds, all beaten!

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    Horse needs to have the physique to carry the weight, concede the weight, want the test, and have connecfions with balls.

    The combination comes along very rarely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankel View Post
    Running off 174 - No.
    Note that Granger said running not winning. He was off 182 the year he came 3rd. Over half the field were out of the handicap including the two who finished ahead of him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBear View Post
    Note that Granger said running not winning. He was off 182 the year he came 3rd. Over half the field were out of the handicap including the two who finished ahead of him.
    Not interested in 3rd. It's about winning.

    Fair play to the boy for running.
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    Quote Originally Posted by granger View Post
    Does anyone think we'll ever see a horse as top class as Denman running in the Hennessy in future?
    Coneygree is as top class as Denman. Whether he is genuinely in decline or has a problem or is being brought along more steadily for something later on only time will tell.

    Bear in mind that Denman got to run off a mark 7lbs lower than for his previous run so if any other top class animal is allowed the same generosity there's no reason why it shouldn't run. Coneygree, also 7lbs lower than its peak OR, is proof.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Desert Orchid View Post
    Coneygree is as top class as Denman.
    Err no.

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    He's not - he may have been for that one season. But not anymore. Its a great run from Whisper though and surely he should be higher in the gold cup betting.

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    For what its worth I doubt you'll see many of Denmans class run in it due to the Betfair Chase and that Million bonus for the sweep. Some say Paul Nicholls had the Balls to run Denman in this which is fair enough I suppose but would he have run him in it if he didn't have Kauto in the Betfair ? The chance of any trainer having 2 horses where the 2nd best of the pair can win the Hennessy off such a rating is slim to say the least. Most trainers who have one they believe of that quality will go for the money 99 times out of 100 and what is probably an easier option to win the Betfair than it is to win the Hennessy off such a rating.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Digger View Post
    He's not - he may have been for that one season. But not anymore. Its a great run from Whisper though and surely he should be higher in the gold cup betting.
    Not even for that season. Denman would have comfortably beaten Coneygree, I reckon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danny View Post
    For what its worth I doubt you'll see many of Denmans class run in it due to the Betfair Chase and that Million bonus for the sweep. Some say Paul Nicholls had the Balls to run Denman in this which is fair enough I suppose but would he have run him in it if he didn't have Kauto in the Betfair ? The chance of any trainer having 2 horses where the 2nd best of the pair can win the Hennessy off such a rating is slim to say the least. Most trainers who have one they believe of that quality will go for the money 99 times out of 100 and what is probably an easier option to win the Betfair than it is to win the Hennessy off such a rating.
    Agree, Danny.
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    Imagine the joys of racing if the Million bonus incorporated a premier handicap race

    This is a drum that I have been beating for a long time

    Could do it with the 2m race series too and we might finally get to see some clashes of note
    Some people say he’s the best since Arkle and that’s certainly true when you look at what he’s done

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    Right on.
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    A 2m handicap chase to attract G1 performers, run perhaps at a fair track such as Ascot ?

    It'd never catch on :ninja
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    Changing the Chandler from a handicap to a conditions race, was an act of gross vandalism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grasshopper View Post
    Changing the Chandler from a handicap to a conditions race, was an act of gross vandalism.
    Yep, wrong wrong wrong
    Some people say he’s the best since Arkle and that’s certainly true when you look at what he’s done

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grasshopper View Post
    Changing the Chandler from a handicap to a conditions race, was an act of gross vandalism.
    I agree

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    Quote Originally Posted by granger View Post
    Imagine the joys of racing if the Million bonus incorporated a premier handicap race

    This is a drum that I have been beating for a long time

    Could do it with the 2m race series too and we might finally get to see some clashes of note
    Wouldn't that be brilliant?!
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