Road To the Grand National 2012 - Page 12

hezz · 16th April 2012, 4:54 PM

Just seen the interview before and after of John Hales. Fantastic!! Great story how some of the family didnt want the horse to run but he felt the horse deserved the chance after his previous run at Haydock. Love it!

Desert Orchid · 16th April 2012, 7:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Bar the Bull

How anybody could criticise the ride Sunnyhillboy got is beyond me.

I was close to a four figure payout, and you won't find me complaining.

I wasn't criticising or complaining. As I said, it was an inch away from being an utterly brilliant ride. It was also a tactic that, it could be argued, ultimately cost it the race but it also got him within an inch of winning rather than being brought down or otherwise hampered out of it. Another angle, as I suggested, is that it wasn't the tactic that cost it the race but idling after going clear. Such is racing life. I backed it win-only and am not complaining about it, just observing.

Zenyatta · 16th April 2012, 11:20 PM

We can be quite sure that they were confident he was much better than his mark. If the Kim Muir was only his 'prep', and he shouldn't get raised anymore for the National, then you would think he has a bit up his sleeve still. Fantastic little horse though. He absolutely pinged them.

Bar the Bull · 17th April 2012, 10:05 AM

There was a lot of criticism about him on here over the winter.

On The Bridle · 17th April 2012, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Bar the Bull

There was a lot of criticism about him on here over the winter.

He ran like an absolute monkey in a big Saturday handicap when very well backed as I remember. He was pulled up behind Quantitative Easing. The last twice McCoy rode him he failed to complete. The last time McCoy rode him a winner was in Feb 2010. Maybe McCoy was the problem all along.....

Bar the Bull · 17th April 2012, 10:54 AM

Maybe he isn't a two-and-a-half miler and maybe he spat the dummy after being take off his feet in the early exchanges at Cheltenham.

That's how I read the race, particularly in light of his Irish National effort.

On The Bridle · 17th April 2012, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Bar the Bull

Maybe he isn't a two-and-a-half miler and maybe he spat the dummy after being take off his feet in the early exchanges at Cheltenham.

That's how I read the race, particularly in light of his Irish National effort.

Most plausible...

Bar the Bull · 17th April 2012, 12:13 PM

And in the interests of fairness, it should be noted that McCoy has been on board for 5/7 of SHB's wins over jumps.

And it should also be noted that SHB has only won once since February 2010, so it is not surprising that AP hasn't won since then.

Especially given that he has only ridden the horse twice in 10 runs since Feb '10.

BackHander · 17th April 2012, 12:36 PM

Anyone think shakalakaboombooom might see out the trip better next year?

G-G · 17th April 2012, 1:25 PM

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Originally Posted by BackHander

Anyone think shakalakaboombooom might see out the trip better next year?

Yes definitely

On The Bridle · 17th April 2012, 2:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Bar the Bull

And in the interests of fairness, it should be noted that McCoy has been on board for 5/7 of SHB's wins over jumps.

And it should also be noted that SHB has only won once since February 2010, so it is not surprising that AP hasn't won since then.

Especially given that he has only ridden the horse twice in 10 runs since Feb '10.

....and failed to complete on both occasions....

chroniclandlord · 17th April 2012, 4:12 PM

I heard McCoy on 5 Live on Friday evening, he said that the winner would come from numbers 1-20 and that the horses numbered 21-40 had no chance. Sunnyhillboy was 26.

Bar the Bull · 17th April 2012, 4:19 PM

He was right.

On The Bridle · 17th April 2012, 4:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Bar the Bull

He was right.

How much do you love McCoy... and his rather large chin...

Zenyatta · 18th April 2012, 10:58 AM

If we are looking at next year then, of those that finished, I'd prefer Seabass to Shakalakaboomboom depending on what the handicapper does. If Seabass had just dropped the bit a little he'd have gone even closer.

Of those that failed to complete, On His Own, hampered by a loose horse when falling at the 2nd Becher's, was a big eyecatcher. He had made ominous progress through the field and still looked to be travelling strongly.

LUKE · 18th April 2012, 11:02 AM

I think Shaka had a good spin round the course and could go close next year under a more restrained ride.

SteveM · 18th April 2012, 4:56 PM

Jonjo O'Neill reports National runner up Sunnyhillboy recovering from surgery after injury. "It was touch and go for a day or two," he said

Source: Racing Post

Zenyatta · 18th April 2012, 5:22 PM

I never knew he had been injured. Does anybody know what the problem was/is?

SteveM · 18th April 2012, 5:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Zenyatta

I never knew he had been injured. Does anybody know what the problem was/is?

It does seem to have gone under the radar, doesn't it? Post don't have a full report yet.

Cruella · 21st April 2012, 9:54 PM

Struck into the back of his tendon sheath.

16th April 2012, 11:20 PM	#223
Zenyatta Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011	We can be quite sure that they were confident he was much better than his mark. If the Kim Muir was only his 'prep', and he shouldn't get raised anymore for the National, then you would think he has a bit up his sleeve still. Fantastic little horse though. He absolutely pinged them. __________________ Blog

17th April 2012, 10:05 AM	#224
Bar the Bull Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Daddysville	There was a lot of criticism about him on here over the winter. __________________ "When one has not had a good daddy, one must create one" - Friedrich Nietzche

17th April 2012, 10:54 AM	#226
Bar the Bull Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Daddysville	Maybe he isn't a two-and-a-half miler and maybe he spat the dummy after being take off his feet in the early exchanges at Cheltenham. That's how I read the race, particularly in light of his Irish National effort. __________________ "When one has not had a good daddy, one must create one" - Friedrich Nietzche

17th April 2012, 12:13 PM	#228
Bar the Bull Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Daddysville	And in the interests of fairness, it should be noted that McCoy has been on board for 5/7 of SHB's wins over jumps. And it should also be noted that SHB has only won once since February 2010, so it is not surprising that AP hasn't won since then. Especially given that he has only ridden the horse twice in 10 runs since Feb '10. __________________ "When one has not had a good daddy, one must create one" - Friedrich Nietzche Last edited by Bar the Bull; 17th April 2012 at 12:13 PM.

17th April 2012, 12:36 PM	#229
BackHander Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005	Anyone think shakalakaboombooom might see out the trip better next year? __________________ They Shoot Horses, Don't They?

16th April 2012, 4:54 PM	#221
hezz Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Sydney	Just seen the interview before and after of John Hales. Fantastic!! Great story how some of the family didnt want the horse to run but he felt the horse deserved the chance after his previous run at Haydock. Love it!

17th April 2012, 4:12 PM	#232
chroniclandlord Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Co. Armagh	I heard McCoy on 5 Live on Friday evening, he said that the winner would come from numbers 1-20 and that the horses numbered 21-40 had no chance. Sunnyhillboy was 26.

17th April 2012, 4:19 PM	#233
Bar the Bull Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Daddysville	He was right. __________________ "When one has not had a good daddy, one must create one" - Friedrich Nietzche

18th April 2012, 10:58 AM	#235
Zenyatta Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011	If we are looking at next year then, of those that finished, I'd prefer Seabass to Shakalakaboomboom depending on what the handicapper does. If Seabass had just dropped the bit a little he'd have gone even closer. Of those that failed to complete, On His Own, hampered by a loose horse when falling at the 2nd Becher's, was a big eyecatcher. He had made ominous progress through the field and still looked to be travelling strongly. __________________ Blog

18th April 2012, 11:02 AM	#236
LUKE Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Waterford	I think Shaka had a good spin round the course and could go close next year under a more restrained ride.

18th April 2012, 4:56 PM	#237
SteveM Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: London	Jonjo O'Neill reports National runner up Sunnyhillboy recovering from surgery after injury. "It was touch and go for a day or two," he said Source: Racing Post __________________ 5211-2211111-1111-121-1112-112-25 1-11112-11111-1111-22F-1U24-325 11-2113-11111-11111 11-1211114-1111427 1111-11111-11111 Last edited by SteveM; 18th April 2012 at 4:57 PM.

18th April 2012, 5:22 PM	#238
Zenyatta Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011	I never knew he had been injured. Does anybody know what the problem was/is? __________________ Blog

21st April 2012, 9:54 PM	#240
Cruella Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008	Struck into the back of his tendon sheath.