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    Quote Originally Posted by an capall View Post
    In San Jose Ca this week. Been coming here for 30 years. Never, ever seen such division and hatred, suspicion and anxiety as caused by the current polity. Not even during the Gulf Wars or the Clinton impeachment. Society is polarising, civility is in tatters. Weird shid this.
    It's one completely fucked up country. No matter what happens the left has one version and the right has a completely different version. I doubt they could agree on anything. The left is basically wet dreaming that Trump gets impeached. Anything that comes out about the Russia investigation they are frothing at the mouth and jumping to wild conclusions not backed up by the law or constitution. It's awfully pathetic. They are so retarded they are capable of giving Trump a good shot at reelection in 2020.

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    Grass, haven’t seen or heard from Gamble for a very long time - which is sad.
    Ah! but a man's reach should exceed his grasp......

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    Now that is a shame, Col.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drone View Post
    Trump's a deranged arsehole who talks a dangerous and odious talk but IMO he'll never be allowed to walk the walk, as the President actually has very limited powers as an individual: the two chambers of Congress hold the power, and I reckon they and Trump's 'team' put up with his bellicose and other inanities knowing that it is in effect just inconsequential bluster from a fool
    Well, in light of his incendiary decision regarding Jerusalem, I was going to humbly retract the above as naiive wishful thinking, but then learnt that he's only been brave/stupid enough to light the blue touchpaper of a megaton firework ordered by Congress some twenty years

    What happens now?

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    Hillary Rodham Clinton gets the blame for next terrorist atrocity (NAP).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Colin Phillips View Post
    Grass, haven’t seen or heard from Gamble for a very long time - which is sad.
    Nope, not a sighting anywhere, more's the pity

    Out of this world mentally, but as he hinted at more than once, too of this world physically

    The Lounge in that Red House Over Yonder is dusty, and the silent chit-chat deafening

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grasshopper View Post
    Hillary Rodham Clinton gets the blame for next terrorist atrocity (NAP).
    ROLL ON THE RESISTANCE !!!

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    Both Democrats and Republicans want to move the US Embassy to Jerusleam. Trump proposes they actually do it. The left goes insane. Perhaps they should start with a bill that the sky is blue and work from there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SlimChance View Post
    Both Democrats and Republicans want to move the US Embassy to Jerusleam. Trump proposes they actually do it. The left goes insane. Perhaps they should start with a bill that the sky is blue and work from there.
    Drumpf just paying a campaign debt to Sheldon Adelson.
    We will see how this move plays out.

    You act like the left is some sort of monolith. It's not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brendanr View Post
    Drumpf just paying a campaign debt to Sheldon Adelson.
    We will see how this move plays out.

    You act like the left is some sort of monolith. It's not.
    Sheldon? Really? All that ******* cares about is gambling not being leagilised outside Nevada. Don't run away from the fact this has bi-partisan support but because Trump will do it we must all set our hair on fire.
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    Bi-partisan support based on what, The 1995 law that was passed?

    There's tons of gambling outside of Vegas.
    Most likely NJ will be allowed to offer sports betting at all there casinos and race tracks pretty soon
    Fact is Adelson pushed hard for this during the campaign and ponied up considerable sums to see it happen.
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    During the campaign one of his higher profile surrogates (believed to be Kelly Anne Conway) was supposedly given to telling media folks off the record that the candidate was showing early stages of dementia but that they could handle it

    Yesterday he gave a speech which was slurred and in which he struggled, it sounded more like someone who'd suffered a minor stroke actually

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/mo...rticle/2642806
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    Don't be so gloomy. After all it's not that awful. Like the fella says, in Italy for 30 years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder, and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci, and the Renaissance. In Switzerland they had brotherly love - they had 500 years of democracy and peace, and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock. So long Holly. _ Harry Limes

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlimChance View Post
    Sheldon? Really? All that ******* cares about is gambling not being leagilised outside Nevada. Don't run away from the fact this has bi-partisan support but because Trump will do it we must all set our hair on fire.
    The Dems had their opportunity under Obama for 8 years, and never went anywhere near it, because they knew full-well that it was a pointlessly provocative act, with absolutely zero upside, and a fu*ckload of downside.

    That's the point.

    Trump has chosen to do this in isolation; in much the same way as he chose to act alone, in withdrawing from the Paris Accord on climate change. It's the nativism, the wanton disregard for international diplomacy, and the Devil-may-care attitude about the consequences of his actions, that cause us to tear our hair out, not the man himself................though by any measure, he is also a super-fried cu*nt of the highest order.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SlimChance View Post
    It's one completely fucked up country. No matter what happens the left has one version and the right has a completely different version.
    I'm not totally sure this is true of America to be honest (the existence of a distinct left and right - not the fucked up bit)

    Now I accept that the 'political compass' isn't the last word in this, and it is by any honest measure a subjective index, but it illustrates the incredibly narrow choice corridor quite well. Draw vertical lines between Trump and Clinton, and the gap between them is your left/ right spectrum. America's much cherished 'freedom' is pretty much a freedom to conform

    https://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2016

    The way I like to look at it as that the American political landscape has been dominated for the last 50 years by a giant unbalanced pendulum. This pendulum swings 2 pts to the right and then swings 1pt back to the left. If you repeat this over enough cycles you end up with Trump, and you're also well on your way to electing fascism (which I'm not convinced is a contradiction in terms)

    For the Republicans this possibly started in the last 60's with Nixon pushing back against the so-called 'counter culture' although you might trace it back further into the paleo cons. At this time the Democrats were still fielding candidates like Humphrey and McGovern who had some connections with traditional supporting blocs in social organisations and labour unions. Carter momentarily flipped this mood when he won an election by virtue of not being Gerald Ford, but that didn't last long. Reagan would go onto beat Carter in 1980, and the Democrats fielded and lost with Mondale and Dukakis there after. The epicentre of American politics was changing, and the Overton window was migrating right. Eventually as we went into the 90's the Democrats began their own transition as their own candidates became increasingly more and more right wing. You can almost see this as a perfect linear regression. This of course legitimises the Republicans and they can push onto the extremes of the window even further. It's probably reached a point now whereby if their patron saint, (Ronald O'Reagan) were to stand today, he wouldn't win the nomination (gun control alone would stop him)

    I think the important take out though is that Trump needn't be a freak. He actually represents America much more than many Americans are comfortable about admitting. I actually get a bit tired listening to all the Democrats bleating that he only 46% of the popular vote and she got 48%. So what. The point is he was a disqualifying candidate who still managed to get 46% of the vote. Even if he had lost, this should still be of a massive concern. Western Europe's most right wing country is France, and we tend to get a bit spooked when the FN can manage 40%. OK some of the outliers in eastern Europe like Poland and Hungary bear comparison with America, but America is pretty way out there now, and needn't be finished just yet. Trump might not be the worst of what they're capable of electing. Ultimately if the rest of the country continues to elect alt-right quasi militarists against the wishes of the wealth producing states of coastal areas, you do wonder if the fabric of the union will hold together, and whether perhaps a federated system might come to pass as Yankee land and California look for greater autonomy? Who knows
    Last edited by Warbler; 7th December 2017 at 6:46 PM.
    Don't be so gloomy. After all it's not that awful. Like the fella says, in Italy for 30 years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder, and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci, and the Renaissance. In Switzerland they had brotherly love - they had 500 years of democracy and peace, and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock. So long Holly. _ Harry Limes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warbler View Post
    I'm not totally sure this is true of America to be honest (the existence of a distinct left and right - not the fucked up bit)

    Now I accept that the 'political compass' isn't the last word in this, and it is my any honest measure a subjective index, but it illustrates the incredibly narrow choice corridor quite well. Draw vertical lines between Trump and Clinton, and the gap between them is your spectrum. America's much cherished 'freedom' is pretty much a freedom to conform

    https://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2016

    The way I like to look at it as that the American political landscape has been dominated for the last 50 years by a giant unbalanced pendulum. This pendulum swings 2 pts to the right and then swings 1pt back to the left. If you repeat this over enough cycles you end up with Trump, and you're also well on your way to electing fascism (which I'm not convinced is a contradiction in terms)

    For the Republicans this possibly started in the last 60's with Nixon pushing back against the so-called 'counter culture' although you might trace it back further into the paleo cons. At this time the Democrats were still fielding candidates like Humphrey and McGovern who had some connections with traditional supporting blocs in social organisations and labour unions. Carter momentarily flipped this mood when he won an election by virtue of not being Gerald Ford, but that didn't last long. Reagan would go onto beat Carter in 1980, and the Democrats fielded and lost with Mondale and Dukakis there after. The epicentre of American politics was changing, and the Overton window was migrating right. Eventually as we went into the 90's the Democrats began their own transition as their own candidates became increasingly more and more right wing. You can almost see this as a perfect linear regression. This of legitimises the Republicans and they can push onto the extremes of the window even more. It's probably reached a point now whereby if their patron saint, (Ronald O'Reagan) were to stand today, he wouldn't win the nomination (gun control alone would stop him)

    I think the important take out though is that Trump needn't be a freak. He actually represents America much more than many Americans are comfortable about admitting. I actually get a bit tired listening to all the Democrats bleating that he only 46% of the popular vote and she got 48%. So what. The point is he was a disqualifying candidate who still managed to get 46% of the vote. Even if he had lost, this should still be of a massive concern. Western Europe's most right wing country is France, and we tend to get a bit spooked when the FN can manage 40%. OK some of the outliers in eastern Europe like Poland and Hungary bear comparison with America, but America is pretty way out there now, and needn't be finished just yet. Trump might not be the worst of what they're capable of electing. Ultimately if the rest of the country continues to elect alt-right quasi militarists against the wishes of the wealth producing states of coastal areas, you do wonder if the fabric of the union will hold together, and whether perhaps a federated system might come to pass as Yankee land and California look for greater autonomy? Who knows
    Almost nothing can be discounted the way things are trending
    ROLL ON THE RESISTANCE !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by brendanr View Post
    Bi-partisan support based on what, The 1995 law that was passed?

    There's tons of gambling outside of Vegas.
    Most likely NJ will be allowed to offer sports betting at all there casinos and race tracks pretty soon
    Fact is Adelson pushed hard for this during the campaign and ponied up considerable sums to see it happen.
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/senate...reunification/

    A 35 million donation gets you an Embassy moved? Sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warbler View Post
    I'm not totally sure this is true of America to be honest (the existence of a distinct left and right - not the fucked up bit)

    Now I accept that the 'political compass' isn't the last word in this, and it is by any honest measure a subjective index, but it illustrates the incredibly narrow choice corridor quite well. Draw vertical lines between Trump and Clinton, and the gap between them is your left/ right spectrum. America's much cherished 'freedom' is pretty much a freedom to conform

    https://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2016

    The way I like to look at it as that the American political landscape has been dominated for the last 50 years by a giant unbalanced pendulum. This pendulum swings 2 pts to the right and then swings 1pt back to the left. If you repeat this over enough cycles you end up with Trump, and you're also well on your way to electing fascism (which I'm not convinced is a contradiction in terms)

    For the Republicans this possibly started in the last 60's with Nixon pushing back against the so-called 'counter culture' although you might trace it back further into the paleo cons. At this time the Democrats were still fielding candidates like Humphrey and McGovern who had some connections with traditional supporting blocs in social organisations and labour unions. Carter momentarily flipped this mood when he won an election by virtue of not being Gerald Ford, but that didn't last long. Reagan would go onto beat Carter in 1980, and the Democrats fielded and lost with Mondale and Dukakis there after. The epicentre of American politics was changing, and the Overton window was migrating right. Eventually as we went into the 90's the Democrats began their own transition as their own candidates became increasingly more and more right wing. You can almost see this as a perfect linear regression. This of course legitimises the Republicans and they can push onto the extremes of the window even further. It's probably reached a point now whereby if their patron saint, (Ronald O'Reagan) were to stand today, he wouldn't win the nomination (gun control alone would stop him)

    I think the important take out though is that Trump needn't be a freak. He actually represents America much more than many Americans are comfortable about admitting. I actually get a bit tired listening to all the Democrats bleating that he only 46% of the popular vote and she got 48%. So what. The point is he was a disqualifying candidate who still managed to get 46% of the vote. Even if he had lost, this should still be of a massive concern. Western Europe's most right wing country is France, and we tend to get a bit spooked when the FN can manage 40%. OK some of the outliers in eastern Europe like Poland and Hungary bear comparison with America, but America is pretty way out there now, and needn't be finished just yet. Trump might not be the worst of what they're capable of electing. Ultimately if the rest of the country continues to elect alt-right quasi militarists against the wishes of the wealth producing states of coastal areas, you do wonder if the fabric of the union will hold together, and whether perhaps a federated system might come to pass as Yankee land and California look for greater autonomy? Who knows
    Nice post. California shouts very loudly, as if it speaks for the whole country. It doesn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grasshopper View Post
    The Dems had their opportunity under Obama for 8 years, and never went anywhere near it, because they knew full-well that it was a pointlessly provocative act, with absolutely zero upside, and a fu*ckload of downside.

    That's the point.

    Trump has chosen to do this in isolation; in much the same was as he chose to act alone, in withdrawing from the Paris Accord on climate change. It's the nativism, the wanton disregard for international diplomacy, and the Devil-may-care attitude about the consequences of his actions, that cause us to tear our hair out, not the man himself................though by any measure, he is also a super-fried cu*nt of the highest order.
    Obama clearly showed himself to be anti-Israel. Don't dress if up as him having diplomatic tact.

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    Obama held the internationally-recognised diplomatic line on the Jerusalem question, and the wider two-State solution, throughout his Presidency.

    To all practical intents, he treated Israel no different to any of his predecessors - even if he did have a severe personal distaste for Netanyahu (which is hardly an out-there position to adopt).
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    He should have watched The West Wing, they covered this really well. Maybe 'fiction' but based in reality and sanity. He really is an idiot and has no idea at all. How he is still in power is scary. Does he listen to his advisors or are they as bad as him? If they are, there's no hope.
    Hamas should direct their anger his way.

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