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    Bet Victor Gold Cup

    I think the best news over the summer was the owner of Kylemore Lough moving his horse to Harry Fry. Not so much because I don't rate Kerry Lee as a trainer. just because the horse will have a different jockey now. Fry has stated the BV is the target and he's worth a pop at 20s. He would have won the Caspian last year with a better ride.

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    Totally agree about the Caspian race, Euro, though I'm a little concerned that all his best form has come right-handed, and he is probably handicapped to the hilt. Price compensates to a degree though, I suppose.

    I've already backed Bun Doran (Tom George) to smallish stakes, though confess I'm not sure if he is an intended runner or not.
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    The BetVictor Gold Cup
    Grade 3 handicap chase, £160,000 total prize fund . Cheltenham, Saturday, November 18. Two miles, four and a half furlongs (2m 4f 78y). For four-year-olds and upwards. Penalties: after November 5, a winner of a chase 5lb. Entries closed October 31, entries revealed November 1 (45 entries). Weights revealed November 8. Five-day confirmation stage November 13, final declarations November 16. Maximum field size 20 runners plus 2 reserves.

    Horse Age Owner Trainer
    A TOI PHIL (FR) 7 Gigginstown House Stud Gordon Elliott IRE
    AQUA DUDE (IRE) 7 William & Angela Rucker Evan Williams
    ART MAURESQUE (FR) 7 Mrs Johnny de la Hey Paul Nicholls
    ASO (FR) 7 The Bellamy Partnership Venetia Williams
    BALL D'ARC (FR) 6 Gigginstown House Stud Gordon Elliott IRE
    BALLOTIN (FR) 6 David Maxwell Racing Limited Philip Hobbs
    BALLYALTON (IRE) 10 John Westwood Ian Williams
    BALLYBOLLEY (IRE) 8 Simon Munir & Isaac Souede Nigel Twiston-Davies
    BALLYCASEY (IRE) 10 Susannah Ricci Willie Mullins IRE
    BELAMI DES PICTONS (FR) 6 Hills of Ledbury (Aga) Venetia Williams
    BENTELIMAR (IRE) 8 Swanee River Partnership Charlie Longsdon
    BOUVREUIL (FR) 6 J P McManus Paul Nicholls
    CLAN DES OBEAUX (FR) 5 Mr & Mrs P Barber, G Mason, Sir A Ferguson Paul Nicholls
    CLOUDY DREAM (IRE) 7 Trevor Hemmings Malcolm Jefferson
    DANDRIDGE 8 Ronnie Bartlett Arthur Moore IRE
    DAYS OF HEAVEN (FR) 7 Mrs S K Johnston Nicky Henderson
    DOUBLE TREASURE 6 Sir Chips Keswick Jamie Snowden
    FOXTAIL HILL (IRE) 8 Options O Syndicate Nigel Twiston-Davies
    FRODON (FR) 5 P J Vogt Paul Nicholls
    GARDE LA VICTOIRE (FR) 8 Diana Whateley Philip Hobbs
    GO CONQUER (IRE) 8 Paul & Clare Rooney Jonjo O'Neill
    GOLD PRESENT (IRE) 7 John & Barbara Cotton Nicky Henderson
    GUITAR PETE (IRE) 7 Mrs Pat Sloan Nicky Richards
    KYLECRUE (IRE) 10 John Patrick Ryan John Ryan IRE
    KYLEMORE LOUGH 8 M J McMahon & Denis Gallagher Harry Fry
    LAKE TAKAPUNA (IRE) 6 Dr Ronan Lambe Jim Culloty IRE
    LE PREZIEN (FR) 6 J P McManus Paul Nicholls
    MASTER DEE (IRE) 8 Paul & Clare Rooney Fergal O'Brien
    MINELLA PRESENT (IRE) 8 Jane Gerard-Pearse Neil Mulholland
    MYSTIFIABLE 9 Graham and Alison Jelley Fergal O'Brien
    PLAISIR D'AMOUR (FR) 5 Calvados Racing Venetia Williams
    POLITOLOGUE (FR) 6 J Hales Paul Nicholls
    QUITE BY CHANCE 8 T Hamlin, J M Dare, J W Snook, J T Warner Colin Tizzard
    ROMAIN DE SENAM (FR) 5 Chris Giles & Dan Macdonald Paul Nicholls
    SAMETEGAL (FR) 8 John & Barbara Cotton Paul Nicholls
    SAN BENEDETO (FR) 6 P J Vogt Paul Nicholls
    SPLASH OF GINGE 9 J D Neild Nigel Twiston-Davies
    STARCHITECT (IRE) 6 Paul & Clare Rooney David Pipe
    THEINVAL (FR) 7 Mr & Mrs Sandy Orr Nicky Henderson
    TOP GAMBLE (IRE) 9 Walters Plant Hire & James & Jean Potter Kerry Lee
    TRAFFIC FLUIDE (FR) 7 Galloping On The South Downs Partnership Gary Moore
    TULLY EAST (IRE) 7 Barry Connell Alan Fleming IRE
    VICONTE DU NOYER (FR) 8 Ann & Alan Potts Limited Colin Tizzard
    WAITING PATIENTLY (IRE) 6 Richard Collins Malcolm Jefferson
    ZAMDY MAN 8 J P McManus Venetia Williams
    45 entries
    7 Irish-trained
    "Beat the price and lose. It's what we do".

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    Naturally Politologue will be my first pick, but was really taken with Cloudy Dream over the weekend so hope he's an intended runner

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    Politologue for me too if he runs and I have a soft spot for Aso who always runs the odd good un
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    I was keen on Politilogue's prospects this year until John Hales said he was going to keep him at 2 miles? Isn't that what he said, or am I mistaken? What happend to him running in The Haldon Gold Cup? To my novicey and untrained eye, when watching him last season I thought he looked like a stayer. I though two and a half was too sharp a distance for him at the festival which was one of the few things I called right. I can't have him for the Paddy Power.
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    Aso looks seriously over-priced at 33's for this. He was beaten only 5L by TDS off a mark of 144 last year (without benefit of a prep run), and ran with credit in both Caspian Caviar and Ryanair Chases at the track thereafter (though not so well at Trials meeting in between, it has to be said). Has a run under his belt this time; ultimately finishing well-beaten in the Old Roan, but looking like he would come on for the race/not given a hard time.

    I've had a decent dash. Just need a little bit of leniency from the handicapper, and I'll be very happy.

    Edit: Just seen Tanlic's post. He's either finally called something right, or he is a bogeying bas*tard....time will tell.
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    This may sound crazy, but Splash Of Ginge has been entered for this. He also is entered at Wetherby in two days time. Historically he needs some serious cut in the ground, to put his best foot forward, but he is seven pound lower than when winning a valuable chase on New Years day at Cheltenham in 2015. The handicapper has given him a chance, and I'd like to see how he goes at Wetherby on Friday, hopefully with plenty of juice in the ground. There may be a revival in Splash Of Ginge if he gets his soft ground..
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    I’m confused. Is this the ******* Mackeson?

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    Aye........Mackeson, Murphys, Thomas Pink, something else?, Bet Victor. I'm betting it will be The Slim Chance How To Make Friends & Influence People Gold Cup next year.
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    ?? = Paddy Power

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marble View Post
    I was keen on Politilogue's prospects this year until John Hales said he was going to keep him at 2 miles? Isn't that what he said, or am I mistaken? What happend to him running in The Haldon Gold Cup? To my novicey and untrained eye, when watching him last season I thought he looked like a stayer. I though two and a half was too sharp a distance for him at the festival which was one of the few things I called right. I can't have him for the Paddy Power.
    What I heard, was he may start in the Haldon Gold Cup if ready in time (was late coming in) but don't think he has an entry

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    Just checked he does have an entry.

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    I'll still call it the Mackeson.
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    Romain De Senam

    Been taken by his two wins this season, still only 5 but already looking like a class act over fences.

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    Interesting to see traffic fludes in the entries.

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    I have done Gold Present done for this at 33s on the back of his very decent 2nd at this years festival. I spoke to Jerry McGrath over the summer also and he said they didn’t recognise him coming back in from the fields after his summer break such was his physical improvement. He highlighted this as a target and it looks like some of them there have also had a cut as he’s now best price
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marble View Post
    This may sound crazy, but Splash Of Ginge has been entered for this. He also is entered at Wetherby in two days time. Historically he needs some serious cut in the ground, to put his best foot forward, but he is seven pound lower than when winning a valuable chase on New Years day at Cheltenham in 2015. The handicapper has given him a chance, and I'd like to see how he goes at Wetherby on Friday, hopefully with plenty of juice in the ground. There may be a revival in Splash Of Ginge if he gets his soft ground..
    Splash Of Ginge gets the entry on forecast soft ground at Wetherby tomorrow. I fancy him. Whether he will get in The Paddy Power I don't know, but 33/1 is too big. I'm taking a wee leap of faith that Nigel Twiston Davies will have got him back to his best, but as I said, this horse can win on soft or heavy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grasshopper View Post
    Aso looks seriously over-priced at 33's for this. He was beaten only 5L by TDS off a mark of 144 last year (without benefit of a prep run), and ran with credit in both Caspian Caviar and Ryanair Chases at the track thereafter (though not so well at Trials meeting in between, it has to be said). Has a run under his belt this time; ultimately finishing well-beaten in the Old Roan, but looking like he would come on for the race/not given a hard time.

    I've had a decent dash. Just need a little bit of leniency from the handicapper, and I'll be very happy.

    Edit: Just seen Tanlic's post. He's either finally called something right, or he is a bogeying bas*tard....time will tell.
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